This is the game you bought. Things change. Get over it.
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While Iām not as defensive about preserving old civ designs as TheTowerDefender, I find your response very rude. Defender mentioned many times that he would be ok with Devs doing what they want as long as the game had an option to rollback to a previous version (a feature available for countless games on Steam, including the HD edition of AoE2)
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early access games change. other games you buy donāt change. this is the only game in my library that forces massive updates on its audience (live service games excluded ofc). itās outrageous
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Thereās no call for that. Weāre all paying customers for the same game, and it should be understandable that not everyone wants the changes made. He even has a point; most games on Steam allow you to rollback the version of the game. AoE2:DE, on launch, did not launch as a live service game, Early access game, or anything else. Itās fair that people feel cheated when somewhere down the line it swapped from defined game to live service.
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I find his constant complaining to be very rude.
But that is unlikely to happen, so thereās no point continuing to complain. Itās just annoying and obnoxious.
This is a live service game basically. Any game that gets constant patches is a live service game, and we must expect that they will get constant changes. Itās just the nature of modern gaming.
And why not? The devs had every intention of making changes every few months or so through patches. Every single player of the game shouldāve expected this going into it. The fact that people got blindsided by all the changes as of late is honestly astonishing.
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Ok, so:
- Why not? Because false advertising is a crime. They sold it as The Definitive Edition of AoE2, plenty people would assume it to mean the Definitive version of the current state of the game, not the continuation of it. By changing the premise of the intent quietly, without fanfare, it creates a false impression for those who buy into the Definitive label.
- Every single player? You canāt speak for everyone Apoc. Some people will inevitably have been misled, one way or another, by a label that is now inherently wrong.
And irregardless of all of this; you donāt have to be an ass. Just mute him and move on if he annoys you so. Itās astonishingly easy to do soā¦
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I might have mentioned it in the forum before, but the Mill really needs a dark age model without a donkey
Nothing about the term āDefinitive Editionā precludes further changes. It just means that thatās considered the most official version now.
The label was never wrong. People just had unrealistic expectations.
I donāt think what I said was all that rude. I was just trying to get him to not worry so much about something that ultimately doesnāt matter. Being so negative about unimportant things is unhealthy and it brings the mood down for everyone around that person.
Muting doesnāt really do anything. Not seeing a personās posts isnāt enough; I want to ensure that they can never interact with me again. The forum doesnāt have that option.
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Not really,who ever played the og game never expected a 25 year old civi like chinese to get changed in a big way.Persians is the sweet spot got new things added but not too drastic.
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Unrealistic expectations for a āFinal/Completeā Edition? Definitive is synonymous to both of those, and from my experience itās usually QoL changes that are added to a DE, not full on expansion or DLC. AoE2 DE is very out of the norm in that regard.
How you said what you meant to say was very negative and blunt, which typically is taken as rude. Thatās what I was saying.
I would hope it continues not to, so we donāt see the echo chamber phenomenon pop up here.
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I expected that the only changes would be balance changes that changed unit stats, numbers in bonuses, tech tree availability, etc. with the aim of improving competitive game balance. I didnāt expect major design changes to existing content, especially at the level of the civ reworks weāve had. I also expected that gameplay-related changes would only be made for gameplay-related reasons, but these civ reworks donāt seem to be made for gameplay-related reasons at all. Iāve never known a game make such major changes to existing content, not even actual live service games. Itās especially unusual for a remaster of an older game, which usually get little if any changes or new content after release.
Telling people not to play the game and to āget over itā also brings down the mood. You donāt get to decide what is important or unimportant to other people. If you really wanted to stop him worrying, youād be better off approaching this with a very different tone.
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Well, I for one welcome most of the recent changes. I think AoE2 has always been a fairly flawed game, and now I understand that the original devs didnāt know everything, or sometimes what they wanted to do wasnāt technically possible at the time. Many of the recent changes fall in line with what the original devs wouldāve wanted, or theyāre improving the balance even more. These things help it to become a more perfect game.
Of course, Iāll support almost any new content relating to this game, because I like new things, and I donāt like being stuck with the same stuff for years.
You must understand, constantly complaining about things that you can simply avoid is irrational, annoying, and disruptive to others. Iāve learned to stop complaining about things that donāt matter, because too much negativity is toxic, and I donāt want it in my life. Video games objectively donāt matter. Entertainment doesnāt matter. Things like food, water, housing, utilities, and social issues matter. I recommend everyone dedicate their mental energy to those things instead of a silly 25-year-old game.
Being on the constant verge of homelessness and destitution for over two years now has caused me to radically shift my priorities and mental energies. I donāt want others to worry about silly luxuries when they could have a lot less. Thatās why Iām so adamant that people stop complaining unnecessarily; when they canāt find steady work, donāt know where their next meal will come from, canāt pay rent or bills, and donāt have any friends to spend time with on a regular basis, they will understand that video games are a poor subject to spend mental energy worrying about in comparison to other things. The fact that we even have the ability to play games like this is a testament to our incredible luxury, and we shouldnāt take it for granted.
Thatās all I have to say about that.
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Everything you said in that last paragraph is true, Lypso. But that doesnāt change the fact that trying to silence someoneās right to an opinion in a public forum is wrong. Just ignore it if you donāt want to read it.
I also donāt like seeing the same complaints all the time, but their request is reasonable. And the way you put it this time bothers me because the same argument could be used by a player who enjoyed 3K for all of us here: ā3K is here to stay, thereās no point in complaining. Get over itā, which I canāt accept.
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Sure, ok, but thatās not at all relevant to what I said, or what you had previously said. You made this claim:
I was disagreeing with that claim, not saying anything about whether the changes have been good, bad, well or poorly received, whether the original game was flawed, what the original devs wanted to do, etc. I donāt see any way that someone buying AoE2DE in 2019 could have anticipated changes as significant as the civ reworks we have had. The industry standard for non-live-service games, and especially for remasters of older games, is not to make changes anything like as significant as that. If you can explain why you think we should have expected these changes, then Iām genuinely interested.
Iām sorry to hear all that, but I donāt see how itās relevant to what I said. No one is claiming that video games are as important as essentials like food and water. But this is a forum about a video game, and people are welcome to post their opinions of the game here ā in fact, thatās one of the forumās main intended uses. If you donāt like someoneās opinions, fine, but as has been pointed out already, youād be better off just muting the users you disagree with.
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Huh, it never occurred to me that thatās what I was doing. Oh dear.
Itās kinda consistent with what was done in HD, but I guess it is at the same time unprecedented.
Yeah, youāre right. I donāt know what I was thinking.
Iāll definitely do that more moving forward.
I owe @TheTowerDefender a sincere apology. I didnāt mean to hurt you, but I can see that I have. Iāll ignore you from now on.
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Itās all right. Iāve made that mistake too, but my comment was justifiably deleted by the mods.
But the only version common to all peoples at this āprimitiveā stage that I can imagine would be manual grinding. What do you suggest?
I donāt remember any civs getting these kinds of reworks in HD. I suppose you might consider adding Castle Age unique techs with The Forgotten to be as significant, but thatās also quite different. Also, in HD there were in-built options to use earlier data sets, so you could still play as if the DLCs didnāt exist if you wanted to.
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I find you attempts to shut down any criticism of their shitty business practice rude. Eventually they will take away something you hold dear, and there will be nobody left to stand with you.
then they should honestly advertise it as such, and offer refunds to everyone. Because I did not agree to buy a live service game.
The devs stated in pre-release interviews that the Last Khans were the last civ additions, and that they were done adding civs. At E3 (also pre-release) they said āif you want to play like 1999, itās all thereā. they broke both those promises.
apoplogy accepted, thank you for reflecting like this. I understand that my posts can be annoying, but I really think it is important that the devs live up to the promises they made on launch and I am sad that something I used to love was taken away from me.
Would settlements fit in the rest of the Americas as an almost shared regional? Different looks based on building skin but still
I think as is Eagle Warrior is a sufficient unit for American civs to be strong itās that good a unit it just needs more homes asap