# \[Minor Natives topic\] Post here your ideas for every single minor natives so the devs can look at

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**Created:** [September 4, 2021, 3:18am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/minor-natives-topic-post-here-your-ideas-for-every-single-minor-natives-so-the-devs-can-look-at/169231 "2021-09-04T03:18:15Z")\
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**Author:** ![OperaticShip743](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/operaticship743/32/104612_2.png) [@OperaticShip743](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/OperaticShip743)\
**Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/minor-natives-topic-post-here-your-ideas-for-every-single-minor-natives-so-the-devs-can-look-at/169231/421 "2022-08-21T00:30:07Z")

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> [@OperaticShip743](#):
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> I also feel that all Native American skirmishes should improve to a range of 18 with each upgrade. Many royal house skirmish units can overcome this, and standard skirmishes have 20 range. Units like the Cree, Navajo and Cherokee Rifleman could potentially have a range of 18.

There are units that can reach up to rank 26 by promoting, such as the mountain soldier. In addition I can create 15 of these units, and also 10 cavalry. Even up to 3 types of units if we consider the passive ability in this case. Why are natives only limited to 16 reach? I don’t understand. Even with 18 range they would be below most other skirmishes.

That’s why it didn’t seem crazy to me to be able to create 12 Apache horsemen, and that’s why it didn’t seem absurd to me that, for example, the Cherokee rifleman has a rank of 18.

Here I will also share the Tier List, [although I had already done it here](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/suggestion-rework-natives-or-minor-factions/198500/21), I will do it again.

 ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/6/0/60beae82d1dc64d8fb243cfe591d5a82952868da.jpeg)  
(It was not created by me, it was created by high ELO players)

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