Steam playerbase still represent? The review/critics from this forum still align with the steam playerbase when I check the Steam review section of mulitple previous DLCs.
Perhaps you can post this in Steam discussion and see how other players view.
Well, even 3K has an almost 50 % positive review rating. And this doesn’t mean 50 % of all users are dissapointed. They who write a cirtic. WHICH IS NOT THE SAME.
Where are the 50 % who LIKE 3K in this forum?
https://steamdb.info/app/2805510/charts/
The review is mostly negative. Only one third gives positive review.
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ok maybe the approval rating changed.
Still, where are they? Who (except me) represents them?
And that’s just an example. In general, most perspectives, most casuals aren’t represented in this forum anymore.
There are people supporting 3K at the very beginning in this forum.
Yep. Me. 20 characters.
And I like it because the civs are just amazingly designed. Ok, they need(ed) twwaks. like every DLC. But the base designs are awesome. That’s what I care about.
Or you can check the posts right at the 3k release in case you never read those posts.
Sorry. I don’t need to check the forum retrospectively. In several threads (and NOT the grudge threads) I was the only one who shared the perspective.
If you can tell me names I can possibly checl. But I won’t look up months old threads for that, looking for a needle in the haysack. Especially when I talk about the CURRENT state.
(and btw, this is just an example anyways. I don’'t see any average player being represented anymore. ofc the forum was never representative. But it also was never LESS representative than currently. (and btw I actually predicted that, it was a result of letting certain developments go on frreely )
(I’ve checked in my profile. Who was active before 3K. People who I interacted with. Independent on if I came along well with them (at least well enough to be able to get along without mod intervention). Most of them are actually basically gone. Ofc there is always change. You were there. Haven’t had much to do a lot with you back then. Probably just different interests. But given that subjective view… a lot of voices just vanished. that’s the thing I’m talking about. And btw… a lot of them would have spoken out if they hated 3K, I’ve seen them so long, they had absolutely NO FEAR criticizing the devs. (and I’m honest at least one of them would definitely have joined the 3K hate. He wemt to age4. I’m not delusional. Ofc some of them acutall LEFT because of 3K. But all of them? With all the love they brought towards the game? Hell no! And independently - unfortunately soo many voices have gone, and the ones who I can remember are just the tip of the iceberg…)
At some point we need to sit all on one table and everyone of us needs to get what’s coming to one. And we all need to take it. I’m ready for it. Have no doubt. But we can only do it, if everyone joining the table is ready. Have no doubt. It’s getting ugly. it’s getting ugly the old days. And I’ve seen and I’Ve passed the old days.
I still own HD edition and I’ve been playing it instead of DE since my usual computer is broken and the backup one is really old, thus scuffed. Also I feel rather demotivated to play DE after 3K.
Anyways, HD is still rather fun despite the lack of QoL stuff in DE. I otherwise would like to point out that you can still buy HD, the retired label is misleading.
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I should just be able to roll back to before the dogshit 3 kingdoms dlc for free
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But actually that’s what I like to share with my friends. QoL features are amazing for people who rarely come together playing one game. Super-Casuals you might possibly call them.
In addition to that the Handicap system (though it should actually have “real” handicap rather than the opposite).
That’s why I ask for this in DE. IDK how many other people there are that would buy this, but I just make a proposal here.
And I don’t like the current demands of getting everything for free. Maybe some people think they can just Spam these demands and in some cases they might get their will. Maybe some people think if they threaten to make it completely unenjoyable for other parts of the community to try to engage with the devs the devs would just “give in” and give them what they want.
But I don’t think this works and I am also against this kind of behaviour to be rewarded. I think the community and general state of the game would be much, much better if this in my eyes nonsense would stop.
Ofc there were some DLCs which weren’t received very well and it’s important to talk about the reasons for that, but we don’t really do that currently. We don’t talk, there are just demands.
I said earlier that I’ll disengage from the thread, but I’ll repeat: I’m perfectly fine with paying for cosmetic DLCs like unit skins, architecture sets, new music tracks.
Proposing that Microsoft, one of the wealthiest IT companies in the world, monetizes access to earlier patches, something that’s available for free for thousands of titles on Steam, sounds like either trolling, naivety, or corpo bootlicking. We’re already living in a corporate dystopia, no need to give CEOs ideas how to make our lives even more miserable.
But you can’t hit Microsoft through this forum anyways.
They don’t NEED AOE2. If it’s not interesting for them anymore they will just quit it.
The only people you hit here are others, none of the big business guys cares.
Internet is choke-full of racists, sexists, trolls, sadists, and other horrible people. I think I’m pretty tame in comparison.
I admit this forum is often too negative, but in this specific thread the negativity is justified: I apologize for being harsh, but what you’re proposing is just further enshittification of gaming. If the devs really need cash, a Patreon would be less insulting than demanding money for access to older patches.
Why not introduce a paid ranking system? Another system. Keep the current system free, but the new one wuold have map bans and civilization bans.
If you have a monetization idea other than the standard dlc model you can make your own thread.
However I think the multiplayer community of this game is actually comparably small part of the whole community. So I doubt there is any chance to get something rolling only a small part of that would buy anyways.
TBH it’s a bit odd. I see no reason why “just campaign dlcs” shouldn’t work. The single player community is way bigger. Yet somehow it looks like that attempt failed pretty hard.
Maybe the concept could work, but the actual implementation wasn’'t what people expected?
However I personally think re-establiching the old lan-flair of the game could be an idea. Ofc they need to somehow bind it together with their life-service model they are currently running.
A sane person would just host his own personal private server.
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Pretty much.
Devs advertised V&V as a “campaign DLC inspired by Philadelphia and Bassi’s custom scenarios”. It turned out to contain no campaigns and most of the content was just… the same scenarios they were supposed to take inspiration from, just with new voicelines. Some of the bugs present in the custom versions are still present.
A single disappointment could be forgiven, a triple one (recycled content, no actual multi-scenario campaigns, bugs) is a catastrophe.
Personally I’m not opposed to selling remastered fan content (The Forgotten started as a mod after all) but it should be advertised fairly (don’t say “inspired by”, just admit what it is) and contain at least some classic multi-scenario campaigns, like Dandolo or Nevsky.
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