My ideas for future DLC

I thought I would share ideas I have for future DLC. The idea is to stick to the two new civ format. I won’t go into too much detail about civs tech trees, unique units, campaigns, etc. However, I thought I would outline my ideas for each civ. Note that number 7 isn’t region specific, but just simply has a theme of civs that conquered.

1. Chieftains of the New World
Mississippians
Zapotecs
Mayans campaign

2. Mansas and Sultans
Kanembu
Somalis
Turks campaign (Suleiman the Magnificent as the protagonist, who expanded into Africa)

3. Monarchs of the Orient
Jurchens
Tibetans
Chinese campaign

4. Pacific Frontiers
Siamese
Tagalog
Japanese campaign

4. Slavic Princedoms
Croats
Serbs
Ruthenians (renamed Slavs)
Vlachs (used for Dracula campaign)

5. Imperial Asia
Afghans
Sinhalese
Koreans campaign

6. Nobles of Europe
Dutch
Swiss
Magyars campaign

7. Return of the Conquerors
Songhai
Tarascans
Vikings campaign

8. End of an Age
Nubians
Vandals
Romans campaign

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The Dutch is not medieval and Burgundians solely exist to represent lowlands people.

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Was discussed numerous times. This race needs much more rather than renaming. It needs a split.

As for the rest, I personally would like to see DLS about Japan, China and Korea. True, only campaigns are needed there; we have had civilizations ourselves for a long time. So this DLS must include something else.

I would also like to see the Swedes with a campaign and more Africa.

As for the end of Rome, it was shown in Alaric, Attila and, perhaps, Bari campaigns. In general, a lot has been said about Rome, including AoE 1, I don’t think we need more.

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The Dutch were definitely around and the story of William of Orange took place firmly within the AoE2 timeframe. Burgundians were distinct from the Dutch.

[quote=“Nebular905647”]Was discussed numerous times. This race needs much more rather than renaming. It needs a split.

As for the rest, I personally would like to see DLS about Japan, China and Korea. True, only campaigns are needed there; we have had civilizations ourselves for a long time. So this DLS must include something else.

I would also like to see the Swedes with a campaign and more Africa.

As for the end of Rome, it was shown in Alaric, Attila and, perhaps, Bari campaigns. In general, a lot has been said about Rome, including AoE 1, I don’t think we need more.[/quote]

‘Ruthenians’ is still a fairly umbrella name, that refers to Eastern Slavs. The current civ represents all of Kievan Rus, Novgorod and Muscovy.

As for Rome, yes they’ve featured a fair bit, especially if you count the Byzantines as Romans, but if they’re gonna add them to AoE2 they might as well give them a campaign.

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Hey! Don’t forget about the Kurds. In fact, hopefully if the next DLC was to be made, that it can revolve around Sultans and can add the Kurds and Pashtuns and these civs would use the Middle Eastern and Central Asian building sets respectively.

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It needs just Rus’ and Ukraine. Because already discussed.
Also Serbia, Croatia and Wallachia, this part is no to argue with.
But you must understand that Rus’ and Ukraine are separate. Non Ru nor Ukr players will ever accept otherswise. Kievan Rus was temporal and was actually a mistake.

They have it. Many of them. Inside the AoE 1 content and in their most glorious times.

How about Oriental Viching and Occidental Vichings?

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Why would none ukrainian or russian player have a problem with having an umbrella rus faction?
Or are you trying to say ukrainians and russians will not accept a single civi to represent both of them?

Next obvious european dlc campaign for vikings and these will be the new civis :joy:

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Yes. And the actual war is not the only reason. You need to be born one of those to fully understand. All foreigners keep saying on and on that we are same people but this goes completely against what those same people think and do. The West supports Ukraine in every possible way and finances it to achieve victory (they are doing the right thing, I have no complaints about this, I wait for their victory), but Russians now are not even allowed on half of the sites, on Steam we are officially declared second-class inhumans and are deprived of the opportunity to even buy most games and write reviews (which I don’t agree with, this is obvious racial discrimination). But at the same time, when it comes to history, almost all of you say the same thing: “You are one people.” This is exactly what Putin’s propaganda says, it just adds, “therefore, we will capture and subjugate them all.”

If we talk about earlier times - 10, 30 and 100 years ago, only a few citizens of both countries agreed to consider themselves united. They were politically connected for a long time, but their cultures, languages, customs have been denying each other at least since 16th century. Everything is different.

Perfect for an Australia expansion

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Dutch sounds too modern if you refer to the republic born in 1580 but you could add something like Frisians or Hollanders or Flemish to represent medieval Netherlands, currently without a campaign and story.
As for Swiss maybe can work cause it’s less modern or you could name them something like Alemannians or Swabians to be more middle ages depending on the specific timeframe you wanna portray in their campaign even if they’re less popular names.

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Helvertians is a name which fits for swiss.

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It sounds more ancient, like when Helvetii used to live there but maybe could work.

I’d like to express my ideas on each and every one of these ideas, if I may. A lot of it is moving civs around in dlc ideas.o

Alright, well, I know they are in a later dlc idea, but why not fully encompass the new method of focusing on regions and putting the Zapotecs with the Tarascans/Purepecha? Could be “Chieftains (or, Warlords?) of Mexico” instead, And leave the “New World” moniker for the NA civs instead? It would fall in line with the prior regional dlcs we’ve had so far, and I figured it would be the better option for integration into the norm.

Full agree on the Mayan campaign though. Jeebus, their HB is grindy…

Firstly… No Seljuks? That’s a bit of a missed opportunity for a medieval Turks campaign… but given the subject of the dlc, I guess I can see it. I’m not that convinced it’d be better to focus on the Ottoman Turks over the Seljuks in a medieval game, but hey, given the focus of the idea, maybe I could warm up to it over time.

Secondly, if we are taking this dlc title into consideration, wouldn’t there be no Mansas, only Sultans? Kanem Bornu converted to Islam eventually as well…

How about, instead of Somalis here, you put in either the Edo or the Yoruba, who were prominent Pagan cultures down in the Old Beninese Kingdom and the Oyo Empire respectively? They would have some pretty juicy content to chew through imo, and still keep the intent behind the OG title. Otherwise, if you’re adamant about the Ottoman Turk focus you’d need to adjust it to something like “The Sultans Of Africa” instead.

I get that repetition in DLC titles aren’t really wanted, but I don’t quite like the title here. What about, “The Celestial Monarchs” as an alternative name? Both new additions founded a new Imperial Family after they invaded and took the Mandate of Heaven. Maybe each of the 3 civ campaigns could focus on their respective dynasties’ ascension to power? I like the overall additions you have here though, so not much to say.

Eh, not liking the name here either. When I think Pacific, I think Tu’i Tongan Empire, Aeotaroea, Fiji, Samoa, Papua, Tahiti, etc. (Masters of the Pacific?) I’d say something like “Hegemons of the Southeast” or something like that would be better for these civs, or at least for the Siamese, anyway.

Personally, I’d rather it be the Siamese and the Javanese, though admittedly I wouldn’t profess to have much of any knowledge on Filipino history, so anything to do with pre-colonial Phillipines is out of my knowledge range. If they do have some interesting people and events, then sure, by all means.

4. Slavic Princedoms
Croats
Serbs
Ruthenians (renamed Slavs)
Vlachs (used for Dracula campaign)

Honestly, I see these all as the last no brainer divisions for Eastern Europe. The only point of order I have against this is that, when you only account for the Ruthenians, you disallow the full scope of the Rus… on the other hand, the only major polity in the north during most of this time period, Novgorod, was tied pretty closely to the princes of Kiev. I guess if we had to do a monolithic Rus civ, then I would agree with the Ruthenians.

Pretty sure that Afghans are covered by the Hindustanis, being the reason they’re the only Indian civ to have cavalry at all.

The Sinhalese… This is an odd choice for an Imperial DLC. They were Kingdoms at best, subjects at worst. I’m not against them being added, but only if it’s in a more involved Indian DLC.

Honestly, the Koreans are the only think that work for me here…

Nah, this one I hard disagree with. The Dutch, while around, were more relevant in the later stages of history. I’d much rather see the Frisians, who had a major regional presence in the Early period and Late Period, and taper off the cliff of relevance as the Dutch rise up to it.

Swiss… Man I want them, but the only way I can see them added is either standalone or in a completely random way. It sucks…

As far as the Magyars go… Eh. I’d rather have it’s campaign packaged with the Slavic dlc personally.

Songhai is, well, kind of funny. It’s basically the failed 4th Gunpowder Empire, since though there were guns in their army, they never really took to them well, and sharply declined in power due to it as other empires did.

I’ve already said where I wanted the Tarascans/Purepecha, so when I think of conquering nations in the Americas, funnily enough the Iroquois/Haudenosaunee would come to mind. They were warlike enough to get a reputation from their neighbors as snakes, and grew pretty large for Pre-Columbian America.

Vikings… So many people for campaigns, so little time. Even with the scenarios in the Historical Battles, there are plenty of stories to choose a campaign from.

I have no complaints here.

All in all, just minor cosmetic disagreements and maybe a civ change. These are all only my opinions, so take them how you will OP.

You are basing this information on what?

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Events in the 17th century aren’t aoe2 timeline. Dutch held 0 significance in the Middle Ages

Sinhalese is a valid option considering we have Armenians, Burgundians, Sicilians, Bohemians etc in the game who were all small kingdoms.

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I’m basing it on the fact that, to my knowledge, I don’t remember any Empires spawning from Sri Lanka in any time frame whatsoever, and that he added them into an Imperial DLC despite this. If you re-read my statement there, I did say that I’m fine if they’re added, I just felt that they’d fit better and an India-focused DLC.

Again, as I said, I’m fine if the Sinhalese are added, It’s just that he added them in an Imperial DLC, which felt odd to me. I figured that a broader Indian DLC would be the better place to add them.

Not having an empire dosent mean they were subjects to someone else,besides not everybody in game had an empire.

Reading up wikipidia would enhance your so called knowledge a lot.

Uhhh… The Chola Empire subjugated them? Nobody ever said you had to have an Empire to be in game? The only issue I had with them was the DLC placement. I’ve already said I’m fine with adding them twice now…

Reading up on Wikipedia alone tells me they were ruled by various Kingdoms throughout the period, and subjugated by the Chola Empire, the Portuguese, and the Dutch to boot. I fail to see how I was wrong.

I also fail to see why you are arguing the fact that I am apparently against them being added when I specifically said I’m ok with them being added in another India DLC. Can you not read?