Chakram+monks(9+3 range wtih shileds+redemption)+elephant archers+treb…
Bengalis super strong with unbeatable especially for closed/boom maps like arena
Otherwise, Gurjaras has camel scout to camel rider at castle age so They can bite all of scout of map and grab all of relics. They also have super garisoned sheep into mill bonus. Mounted units are attacks so powerful and unbeatable raid with hussars.
So, Here is Suggestion: Hussar is already for european or steppe-east asian units so They won’t able to for south asian civs like chinese, vietnam, khmer, burmese,bengalis, gurjaras, koreans etc… Chinese and viet already doesn’t have the hussar. If It’s RTS game so south and far east asian civs doesn’t have too.(Expect mongols cuz they are nomad civ) so no hussar upgrade for gurjaras and maybe low blacksmith upgrades for stable should be good for balance. Koreans shouldn’t be have hussar upgrade too. It doesn’t make sense.
Elephant archers are still ultimate powerful. They need some nerf maybe they can take more damage by onargers(like hussite wagons, onarger can easily break them) or lower hp or lower shields etc…
Rathas are powerful too. They need decrease hp or shield or whatelse… Plus maybe we should canceled some monks upgrades(redemption or Sanctity) for Bengalis.
It’s a well known fact that Gurjaras a too strong, Benglis though? One of the weakest civs in the game, desperately need a buff. You also can’t just remove upgrades based on history, there needs to be actual gameplay considerations made. Koreans are probably in need of a buff, they certainly don’t need the Hussar removed.
Bengalies and dravidians can be strong in arena type maps since there is no raid but bengalies and dravidians are soo weak at open maps like arabia. Hindustanies and gunjaras at their weakest point in closed maps but they do fine bcs they are soo good overall.
I think as a defensive civilization Koreans don’t need a good stable. If yes then maybe take off their Husbandry and to prevent them from raiding too hard
by especially, you mean only? Like literally, that’s the only place Bengalis are even good at. and i use the words good loosely because they are straight up awful on other maps
Why would we nerf all these civs by removing Hussar from them? and Hussar isn’t a European and Steppes unit, it literally just represents the elite light cavalry of the world. that’s it. By your logic we should take Paladin away from everyone but Franks/Burgundians.
Yeah…I don’t see many people claiming EA are ultimate powerful, and those who do, from what i have seen, aren’t taken seriously.
I think you need to play more games an analyze what exactly is going wrong.
why? are Koreans overperforming right now? Who cares if theirs an archer civ with halfway decent hussar? They still lack Plate Barding Armor and Blast Furnace so they aren’t going to be THAT good at raiding. I’m not saying we should Give Koreans Bloodlines, but if that was the buff they went with, It’s not like their hussars would be amazing.
I don’t know if you could reduce the HP of a regional unit without writing it into civ bonuses, and having negative civ bonuses especially for a civ that has been struggling the most out of all civs, would be outlandish.
Korean Hussar are very mediocre. Khmer are very vulnerable to Halb+Siege so I wouldn’t call them ‘ultimate powerful’, unless you’re at a very low level where you doesn’t know what a Siege Workshop is.
I could agree to Gurjaras losing Hussar upgrade, but it wouldn’t change too much when the aim is to nerf them. Camel Scout is also horrible in Dark Age and the actual ‘civ bonus’ of it starts at Feudal Age with the bonus against Cavalry.
Any nerf to Bengalis is laughably absurd and should be considered as a troll suggestion.
2 of the 3, which mean the Hussars would only miss 1 tech.
I believe Korean Stable is worth gainning at least 2 of the 3 (only 1 would change almost nothing) to make the cav trully decent enought to be used in case they need them. (In other words, not better than Chinese, not worse than Japanese.) And they do not need and is not suitable to be good at raiding, so they do not and should not need Hussars after they gain the techs.
Don’t get me wrong please. I am not saying that the current Korean Stable need to remove Hussars.
After gainning 2 ot the 3 techs and losing Hussars, they would still not be good (especially at raiding) but at least decent enough.
I believe the Koreans would rather lose the Hussars than Husbandry, as the latter benefits WW a lots.
For a moment I thought you’re being sarcastic. Remember that 4v4 closed maps is still a small fraction of the total number of games played. And even there the civ is usable only when everyone booms, has a good amount of trade and push from one side altogether unlike civs which can adapt well according to opponent team’s strategy, push from different sides. Suppose if you were in a situation where you get rushed or your flank ally gets rushed and needs knights, Bengalis can’t do anything.
Hussar is more for 1v1 balance. In TG, especially 4v4 its only a filler or distracting unit while you add trade and get fully set to play your civ’s meta combo.
On the contrary its very weak, very difficult to mass, very difficult to replace in most settings except 4v4 closed maps. As you play more games and different settings, you’ll learn how terrible they are.
Its a very mediocre unit compared to its counterparts like War wagons, Camel archers or Mangudai. It has very low damage output for such a high cost, lacks thumb ring, needs expensive castle age unique tech to just be a decent unit. If you feel they’re very strong try going all-in Rathas in 1v1, 2v2 or in open maps in any settings.
Guys, please watch record before comment. You will see what I meant clearly. We are ethi and slav vs gurjaras+bengal and there is no counter with that.
Boyar are great vs chakrams and torsian engines SO will easily melt elephant archers (also chakrams). Just need to watch out for monks to not get SO converted but in 2v2 monks aren’t too great. Bengalis are one of the best full boom civs but Ethiopians and slavs are great at that too. Just need to go for the correct units.
It’s not 2v2 It’s 4v4 SO has only 8+1 range (+1 range is too hard cuz It’s expensive) 9+3 monks converted every SO You are right but It’s not right pratically in game.
Yes 4v4 elephant + elephant + elephant monk are actually OP especially in map like amazon tunnel. I think there is no counter like the pre nerf Mangudai
