New Revolutions for Existing Civilizations

With the new House of Stuart natives I started wondering about a Scotland revolution for England… could do some funny things to tie in the Darien Scheme / Morgan as well :wink:

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A Scottish as well as Irish rev are all good choices for a Fortress Age revolt.

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I had a hard time determining the exact end of AOE3’s timeline, tbh. I had three dates in mind. First, the year of the latest campaign in the game (which features the 1876 Battle of Little Big Horn), which would then be 1876. I also thought that the end could be the end of the Victorian Era, which is 1901, but that’s a rather Anglo-centric date, so I went instead with the start of WWI in 1914.

If the end date is 1914, the 1912 Republic of China could barely still fit in, while the 1917 Russian Republic and the 1919 movements to turn the Ottoman Empire into a republic are a bit outside of the 1914 mark but I included them to have an additional “republican” revolution for those two civilizations.

But you’re right, if the end date is instead 1876 or 1901, then they shouldn’t be included.

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Haha, sorry about that, I must have missed that while typing the list :laughing:

And, in both cases, they kind of belong to the same cultural group, or at least have some cultural things in common. While the Tlaxcalans were also a Nahua-speaking people, just like the Mexica of the Aztec Empire were, the “Colombians” who declared independence and fought against Spain were descendants of Spanish colonists in the New World, since most Native American groups in Colombia either didn’t want to get involved on the War of Independence or even fought on the side of the Spanish.

Not really, being autonomous within a country is far from being independent from any nation. All Latin American nations went through that stage from around 1810 to 1813 (in some cases 1816). Sure, they were de facto independent, since the king they pledge allegiance to was imprisoned by Napoleon, but they were de jure still part of the Kingdom of Spain. The correct timeline would be Paraguay being autonomous in 1811 and declaring full independence in 1813. Still, that’s earlier than Argentina, which declared full independence in 1816, and I get your point in wanting Paraguay to be included as a base game civilization, but a civilization based on the Río de la Plata/Argentina allows more South American nations to be represented through the revolution mechanic than having them as separate civilizations.

Also, seeing the current state of the game, I’m even doubting that even Brazil, Gran Colombia or Argentina even appear as civilization at all in future DLCs. Let’s hope that this new DLC opens the door for at least a couple more civilizations from the Americas (either Native or post-colonial).

Yeah, I thought about including Scotland and Ireland as revolutions for the British, but I didn’t include them since the British already had other revolution options, but maybe they could be included as well

There would be at least one aeroplane unit in that case.

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I know the Aztecs are also Nahuas, but the civ in the game represents the Aztecs, not the Nahuas.

You still didn’t acknowledge the fact that you were wrong about Tlaxcalans being vassals of the Aztecs, which seemed to be one of your “good” argument. I thought you were more on the side of historical accuracy.

You should focus on the Incas if you want more modernization.

I like your ideas, especially the pirates rev, grece, all the italians ones, sokoto, adal, oromo rev, norway, maratha, afghanistan, all the incas, mongolia, taiping, hejazi arabia, bohemia, austria and the brittish republic (maybe there is room for scottish and irish). Anyways I also see those revs the most likely to be added (I mean, i wish too :sweat_smile:)

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An early revolution option is more than enough actually

The clearlier logic should had been “start as a Viceroyalty” and then it revolts to this and that.
But you go all the way to, at this point, honestly, Mr Olympia levels of mental gymnastics to accomplish a wrong concept

Guaraní and Mapuche I hope

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The Aztecs encircled Tlaxcalan territory and blocked access to trade routes and coastal goods (such as cacao or cotton), forcing Tlaxcala to subsist on its own local resources. While it is true that Tlaxcala did not pay tribute, they were nonetheless subjugated in other ways under the shadow of the Aztecs and the Triple Alliance states—which is precisely why they were such fierce enemies of the Aztecs. The Tlaxcalans gained several special privileges after supporting the Spanish during the fall of the Aztec Empire:

1 - Tlaxcalan Confederation: They received exemptions from tribute and were granted hidalgo (noble) status—allowing them to bear arms, ride horses, and govern themselves autonomously for a time—in recognition of their valuable military assistance.

2 - Expansion and Colonization: Tlaxcalan groups traveled alongside the Spanish to northern Mexico (Aridoamerica) and Central America to found new settlements and pacify territories.

3 - City Status: The capital was awarded the title “Loyal City of Tlaxcala” and a royal coat of arms.

4 - Tax Exemption: They were exempt from the heavy taxes and tributes paid to the Crown by other
conquered peoples.

As you can see, following the Aztec era, Tlaxcala was the primary native confederation operating in colonial Mexico for many years. Given this importance in Mexican history after the fall of the Aztec Empire, the Tlaxcalans are—and should be—the most viable transition option for the Aztecs; if not implemented via a revolution, they could at least be added as a technology at the Town Center, similar to the Meiji Restoration. The name for this Fourth Age technology could be Political Reorganization.

I already know all of this and it has nothing to do with the point of this argument. I do not mean to be rude, but I do not need your history lesson, which you generated through Chatgpt. Don’t lie, you did.

It looks like you just want more content for the sake of having more content, even if it doesn’t make sense. You know, it’s ok that not every civ can revolt. There are so many other ways to improve the existing civs and make them more unique.

I forgot that one, Paraguay is a great choice too :sweat_smile:

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Ugh, let’s steer away from 1914 and planes. We’re on Great War territory which would be far better in a different iteration.

Steam power and the odd hot air balloon are our jam here.

Have to say that devs already went this way with the Txalcala alliance Mexico card, being able to train aztecs units.

Anyway, I understand your points

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It’s not really about that, my friend; it’s just that you always take a negative stance on every post. I know everyone is free to comment whatever they like, but I’ve noticed you’re very negative about other people’s suggestions. It’s as if you don’t want the game to get any new content and would rather just leave things exactly as they are. Well, if that’s the case, you can always play the 2005 version—where you won’t find any new content and can play the game exactly as it was originally conceived. Now, please—and I say this with all due respect—let people share their points of view and suggestions without constantly objecting with that negative attitude, which doesn’t benefit any of us.

You misunderstood me. I’m not against new content at all. Just like you, I want new content for this game but again, only if this new content makes sense. I don’t want this game to become Age of the world. Also, I don’t get why you see my opinion as “negative” because the way I see it, I was being constructive here:

I would love to see the Tlaxcalans represented in the game, just not the same way you do. I suggest you don’t take this personally, because forums are made for discussion and your ideas will be challenged. Also, no disrespect here, but please stop using chatGPT when you lack arguments. It’s not good for your credibility.

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Just to summarise, the Tlaxcalans were complete rivals to the Aztecs, and were actually far more successful than the Mexica (ugh, sorry Aztecs), surviving them due to allying with the Spanish to destroy them. They then lived on with relative autonomy and privilages, joining in with military campaigns and being a tough border-defending culture, before finalling becoming a state within Mexico.

Mexico then became Aztec fan-boys, complete with creation myth and labeled the Tlaxcalans as betrayers.

They would actually make an awesome full civ as there’s a switch from classic weaponary (with their bowmen being a huge speciality), to gunpowder, plus with some nice unique buildings like Presidios and fortified churches.

Soooooooo, absolutely no to a revolution from the Aztecs.

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I’ve never imagined them as a main civ but why not? Tlaxcalans could very well be my favorites if done right! However, I doubt the devs will ever add them :sweat_smile:

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