This whole time i have been calculating food+oil gathering rate WRONGLY.
we know berries provide 50% of the berries forgered as oil. Example if you GATHER 10f from berries you also collect 5 oil for a total of 15 resources. So i have been doing the math like so 15 resources divide by berry gather rate 0.66. AND THAT IS WRONGGGG!!!
INSTEAD it work more akin to chinese imperial official supervision. You only spend the time required to gather 10 food but at the same time generate 5 oil:
15 resources/ [ time to gather 10 berries + walk time]
So the active byz berry gathering rate is 0.99 resources per sec!! Only the ottoman landmark has that innate berry gathering rate!!! But we get this buff on all berries!!! And if you build the winery it gets better and goes up to 1.188 active gathering rate!! No one has that high a gathering rate!!!
The only catch is we do NOT have immediate access to expend pur access resources AND going berries pre feudal can significantly regress our feudal timings.
Having said this; we are a new civ and maybe SHOULD form our meta outside the normative.
Last thing with the 5% cistern gathering buff that pushes the resources per min envelope even further.
Given the hippo was just nerfed maybe its time to go back to early berries into winery??
Grand Winery FC feels much better with +50 stone.
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winery on berries offers 450 more resources than not having the winery; but thats 450 more resources in the same amount of time it takes to deplete 6 bushes without winery; so that’s a 20% increase in gathering efficiency 20% more total resources.
Another oversight of the grand winery. Horticulture + Grand Winery nets a 1.3662 resource active gather rate on the berries!!! Again that is a rate NOBODY in the game can even sniff at that early in the game. Although it’s only fo 6 bushes, we can still quickly leverage that influx of resources for early momentum.
To put it in villager comparisons 1 berry villager its like having 1.58 villagers on sheep. Both having horticulture.
Mind you i didn’t even include cistern buffs! If you assume level 2 cistern buff plus winery plus horticulture you get a whopping 1.503 resources per sec!!! That is ungodly high!!
Berries provide byz more total resources than any other civ! And you collect the collective resources faster than anyone else gathering anything that early!!!
OUR ONLY limitation/drawback is oil units are batched trained, so there is no advantages to getting 460 oil in set time vs getting 400 oil in that same set time. Because we can’t continuously produce oil that early.
it also allows the training of monks right when castle age is reached. With some spawns on some maps the Grand Winery can be placed between 2 or 3 berry bush spawns. The olive oil generation from three relics allows for constant production from at least 1 mercenary camp. On maps with an easy to get to neutral market spawn spending the 100 oil on a contract wouldn’t always be necessary allowing for the training of 2 companies instead of 1.
An idea would be to collect extra gold and buy the olive oil difference.
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3 relics only nets 240 oil/min but definitely with 12 farms with the minimal buff previously mentioned would then easily net 400 oil per min!!
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