I’m not even high elo, sitting at 1700, I am decent but there are MANY players better than me, a few on this forum too. What would be gained by linking my games? I’m just a very average 1700 player.
There’s nothing really average about 1700 considering it’s already Top 3%.
The gain would be that players below your rating could learn from your games, much like you probably also learn from pro game.
@FloosWorld i think this topic here is an good example of an elitist trying to push his opinion
As someone who plays aoe2 ( not really frequently anymore) i see where he comes from. But i disagree that this should be an disscussion as you allready pointed out that the other procentage of player also count as it should be an equal field of enjoyment for all players/Elos
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OP does make some good points, despite the fact that he is a proven smurf. I also hate all these prison FC maps. Just leads to zero diversity in strategy and no early aggression.
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I think the standard of diversion especially for elitist like you and op should be that there are diverse maps and not only arabia clones
That’s the problem with people who dislike Arabia. They describe all open maps as “Arabia clones”.
The reason why open maps are better and require a higher skill level is because of the variety in strategy. Prison maps are just fast castle and hardly any fights until imperial every game. Open map games are never the same. If you prefer closed maps, you have the option to play Arabia like a closed map by walling and booming. Arabia players like me don’t have the option to play Arena “like an open map”. That’s why it’s more unfair to make us play closed maps vs. making you guys play Arabia. Open maps can be closed with walling, whereas closed maps cannot be opened.
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Arabia has changed a lot since DE. So many players disliked it being too closed and now there are players dislike it being opened/ too many hills/ mine+ wood location too far etc. Why is it an obligation to ‘like’ Arabia? Then Arabia shouldn’t have changed at all.
High elo players will always vote the maps which you prefer?
Arabia is the most flexible map which pleases the highest number of ranked game players. It’s by far the most popular map. You can play it as a closed map by walling and fast castle booming. Or you can play it open or semi-open and go for dark or feudal aggression.
I don’t understand why people don’t like Arabia. You can still do your favourite strategy from other maps on Arabia by just walling early and booming.
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I think it somehow created the delusion that arabia should be the only map to judge from . But i honestly think some other maps also got their qualities and that also contributes that people are against the norm and choose more quirky maps instead of just arabia or arabia alikes
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There are lots of other great maps, but they hardly ever get votes because the majority of players are around 1000 ELO. The lower the ELO, the more they pick prison FC maps. The reason for this is because low ELO players haven’t learned how to deal with early aggression, so they prefer walls to buy them time to fast castle because that’s the only strategy they know. But what they haven’t realised is that the solution to losing to early aggression is to either learn how to defend against it or learn early aggression yourself.
That’s why the best map pool was when Viper picked the maps. Something needs to change, because the current system of only 7 maps (mostly closed or water) is ridiculous. People complain about being sick of Arabia and act like Arabia pickers worship Arabia, but the reason why it’s the most picked is because all the other maps on the map pool are usually terrible. So Arabia is the least worst option. Most Arabia players would be happy to stop favouriting Arabia and some would even be happy to drop Arabia from the map pool, if only there were other good open maps to choose from.
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First of all its about the general census of other good maps not only yours.
Second of all i dont get why you constanly attack 1000 elo players like they are the dirt under your feet
As an example this is not wrong per say but everyone learns in a different speed and improve and there is no reason to bash their map choices because they (perhaps) struggle with early aggression
Here is see two different problems in your analogy first is that walling is an strategy that is disliked but still a normal and valid strat. And people might learn over time how defend early aggression or adapt to it or maybe early aggro themself. That is in contrast a learning curve. And not an error or reason why the suck as you elitist would say
Ok another problem is see here is a strategic elitist viewing, oh yea viper picked these maps for example and so should everyone else. First of all no thats not how it goes. Second people can choose what they want have fun and maybe still progress in their elo
Also only elitist worship arabia and honestly not everything has to be open map arabia clone (like i said before) like the elitist want people too
Dont think he ever says his elo that would crash his ego as he want to continue to noobbash
Just add a mode Random Civ only. With Classical games and EW, it will be 3.
Than player Elo will be even more representative of the reality if it’s force random civ.
There was literally nothing in my post which was critical of 1000 ELO players, you just interpreted it negatively, perhaps because you have a chip on your shoulder about it, I don’t know. It is a fact that low ELO players generally don’t like early aggression and that is proven by the fact that they overwhelmingly pick closed FC maps. There’s no hate in that, it’s neither positive nor negative, it’s just a statement.
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See my above post, I never said anything negative about 1000 ELO players. Stop listening to the propaganda from the other dude about me.
Everyone likes open maps, agression etc, tho almost no one plays the game mode that has all this (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
I love how you see it because we would not bad mouth these maps as we (probably) play it ourself. And we just point out that diversity is good and nobody should be noob bashed or flamed for liking or voting these maps in
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As a 2k3 player, please drop the elitism/ratism mindset, low elo players opinion absolutely matters
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I wonder whether there is any game ignoring over 50% of player base and game development is still fine.
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No, that’s a huge reach, hence why you had to add “by extension” to try and tenuously link them together. Yes, I call them prison maps because I don’t like the maps. But that doesn’t mean I don’t like those players who enjoy those maps. There is literally nothing in that phrase that suggests I don’t like 1000 ELO players or look down on them or whatever. Personally I hate the single campaigns too; but that doesn’t mean I hate campaign players, I’m happy that they can enjoy the game differently, good for them, but it’s just not my cup of tea. Same goes for prison maps.
And actually the suggested system of splitting the map pool choices by ELO rating would hurt me more than the current system, since I’ve never been rated much higher than 1400 and generally hover around 1300. So that would probably mean I would end up with even more FC prison maps if the voting was split up.
There’s an easy solution which makes everybody happy, but everybody including the devs keep avoiding it. More maps and more bans; ideally unlimited bans. Or map categories which I suggested before, e.g. Open Land Maps, Closed Land Maps, Water Maps and Hybrid / Mixed Maps. 4 or 5 maps in each category which change with each rotation and unlimited category bans.