# Open map vs Closed map TG rating **URL:** \ **Category:** II - Discussion\ **Created:** [June 7, 2020, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/open-map-vs-closed-map-tg-rating/84777 "2020-06-07T10:19:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/eloquentnine840/32/29601_2.png) [@EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/EloquentNine840)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/open-map-vs-closed-map-tg-rating/84777/1 "2020-06-07T10:19:23Z")
Hi I’m very good at closed team maps (let’s say I’m 2200 TG rating at that) and bad at open maps (around 1600 rating). I want to improve in open maps but I can’t as I’m matched against 2100 rated players and die before castle age each game. I am forced to resign all closed map games at the start of each game so my TG rating drops so I can compete in open maps with lower rating. Can I be reported for this? If so, please fix this? ---
**Author:** ![EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/eloquentnine840/32/29601_2.png) [@EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/EloquentNine840)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/open-map-vs-closed-map-tg-rating/84777/2 "2020-06-07T10:45:48Z")
Oh great… so I can’t lose rating anymore? Bullsh!t matchmaking system. Matches me 3 games in a row against 3 premades with 3000+ rating smurfs. They were castle age with 200 pop knights on us before we even got to castle age. Nice matchmaking. Why can’t I lose rating??? Just let me play a normal game and not against the 3 best players in the world every single game. Jesus christ I’m just a noob who wants to learn this game wtf is this bullsh!t? This is how you create trolls. ![rating](https://cdn.ageofempires.com/aoe-forums/original/3X/b/3/b3e20de9e3f1a26748eb88f0720b6d0ff26589c9.png) ---
**Author:** ![WoodsierCorn696](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/woodsiercorn696/32/29332_2.png) [@WoodsierCorn696](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/WoodsierCorn696)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/open-map-vs-closed-map-tg-rating/84777/3 "2020-06-07T11:14:44Z")
> [@How to improve the multiplayer experience?](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-to-improve-the-multiplayer-experience/82858): > > Intro At this moment the AoE II multiplayer community is divided over some platforms to play our beloved game. Currently we have: Voobly: 3.4k players online HD: 11,2k players online DE at steam: 19k players online Gameranger: Unknown number of players This means there are around 35k players around who play this game at this moment. I think it would be great if we can unite all communities at DE. It would be great if we just have one platform where everyone plays. So I decided to make a list … Having more than just one elo for 1v1 or team games is one of my suggestions in this thread. I fully agree your rating between open and closed maps can be quite different, so you need to be matched against other players. For team games there is also the issue of premades vs lonely players. Premades have much better communication and win against equally rated players in most cases. The current MM system seems to neglicts this. I fully agree the devs needs to change somethings at this. If you really dont lose any points after loosing these games (sometimes [aoe2.net](http://aoe2.net) is somewhat behind with ratings, so it is not the best source), then i would make a bug report about that. Loosing 0 points cant be true. I do feel there is something wrong with team game ratings in general (too much inflated). If you make a bug report, feel free to also link to the following thread. Maybe this will help the devs with finding the issues in some manner. > [@Analyses of the ratings - Spotting the issues](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/analyses-of-the-ratings-spotting-the-issues/81949): > > I feel like ratings are a bit off. And i think i am not the only one who thinks there are some weird things into the ratings. So i decided to have a look. I used the following source: [https://thbrown.github.io/aoe2-de-rating-charts/](https://thbrown.github.io/aoe2-de-rating-charts/) This site only shows data for Ranked RM games. I would love to see some statistics about DM (both 1v1 and teamgames) and unranked maps. I dont really have a guess about DM, but i think the results of unranked are even more extreme than the results for RM team game… If i play against someone who drops multiple time in a row against me, then i will report such player. It is up to the devs if you can be banned for such thing. I would give you one advice: If you do something and you think ‘Can i be reported for this’, it is most likely something to avoid. Dont do it. I also like you think all premade teams are 3000 rated smurfs. You know no one has a rating of 3000? Your rating is also pretty high. You know 2.2k is top 5% of the world. Don’t really expect easy games at that level. If your rating is that high, also expect to have high rated enemies. Note: your 1v1 rating is also around 1250. This is also equal to top 15% of the world. I dont really think we can call you a noob, like you said. I are much better than you think. Top 5% for team games and top 15% for 1v1 is not what i would call a noob. ---
**Author:** ![EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/eloquentnine840/32/29601_2.png) [@EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/EloquentNine840)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/open-map-vs-closed-map-tg-rating/84777/4 "2020-06-07T11:30:20Z")
And now I get +20 because 2 enemies disconnected… 2213 rating. Great. We even almost lost 2v4. They completely destroyed us 2v3 but our 4th teammate managed to boom and make the comeback. Fun fun fun. ShadowWalker was great but that Zastosy guy was insane. TheViper on steroids. Why doesn’t he go for tournaments? ![zastosy](https://cdn.ageofempires.com/aoe-forums/original/3X/c/9/c966c034cf2563c059fa973b757ed2507ef1de61.png) ---
**Author:** ![EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/eloquentnine840/32/29601_2.png) [@EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/EloquentNine840)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/open-map-vs-closed-map-tg-rating/84777/5 "2020-06-07T11:36:36Z")
Okay, I will make the bug report. ---
**Author:** ![EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/eloquentnine840/32/29601_2.png) [@EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/EloquentNine840)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/open-map-vs-closed-map-tg-rating/84777/6 "2020-06-07T11:40:21Z")
Yes, the 3000 rating was an exaggeration. It’s my way of expressing a situation where all of my teammates had lower score than each one of our enemies. One guy (Red Viper) even had 5000 score when we were at 2500… I have never in my life been crushed this hard. I’m even considering that Red Viper might have cheated but it’s impossible to know or prove such a thing. ---
**Author:** ![EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/eloquentnine840/32/29601_2.png) [@EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/EloquentNine840)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/open-map-vs-closed-map-tg-rating/84777/7 "2020-06-07T11:45:18Z")
Also I don’t deserve to have this much rating. That’s my point. I’m not at all this good. The rating system inflates my rating. I’m slightly above average at best. ---
**Author:** ![WoodsierCorn696](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/woodsiercorn696/32/29332_2.png) [@WoodsierCorn696](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/WoodsierCorn696)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/open-map-vs-closed-map-tg-rating/84777/8 "2020-06-07T11:47:40Z")
> [@EloquentNine840](#): > > Yes, the 3000 rating was an exaggeration. It’s my way of expressing a situation where all of my teammates had lower score than each one of our enemies. One guy (Red Viper) even had 5000 score when we were at 2500… I have never in my life been crushed this hard. I’m even considering that Red Viper might have cheated but it’s impossible to know or prove such a thing. You can re watch the game and see if why he had such high score. If he is really cheating, then you can report him and send your proof to the devs. ---
**Author:** ![EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/eloquentnine840/32/29601_2.png) [@EloquentNine840](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/EloquentNine840)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/open-map-vs-closed-map-tg-rating/84777/9 "2020-06-07T12:18:55Z")
It would seem that the Persian boom is unstoppable on Scandinavia. No cheats were used that game. One ally lost half his population to a Mongols scout rush. I actually defended well against the Magyar scout rush (lost 3 vills for 5 scouts). It wasn’t until Persia attacked me that I fell behind. My third teammate consequently got completely wrecked by Persia as he turned his focus. Seems to me like a good old case of unbalanced matchmaking. And it’s probably all my fault because the system thinks I’m better than their 2 best players while I can barely go head to head with my weakest opponent. I don’t want to punish premades. Yes, they only comunicated through pings so they were using voice chat, but their individual skill just outclassed ours by a great deal. They did seem to pick competitive civs for that map (e.g. Mongols, Persians and Magyars) whereas we picked rather fun civs (e.g. Portuguese, Japanese and Aztecs) but the difference in skill was still enormous.