For Grenadiers, it might be possible to put a low build limit on them and buff them. For Otto grens, making them 1pop, even with a build limit of 30 in age 5, is nightmare fuel.
Once again, the grenadier should’ve been what the soldado is. Because that is what the grenadiers were. It’d be also far easier to balance.
But it’s not. Ok? This is one critical mistake that DE has made is straying too far from legacy design post-release. There was a time for radical change and it has long passed.
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My friend and i tested it and its one big joke. Until you get the 3x bonus in equal pop the grenadiers win.
Once you get the bonus in lower pops like 50 vs 25 your skirms win but the more grenadiers you have the better i goes.
I final test was 90 skirms vs 45 grens standing in front of eacher. The grenadiers won the fight, you cant kit them because of there 4.5 speed. They shouldnt be that fast.
Use spread formation
if you’d ever actually tried this you’d know the stance is bugged for groups of more than 30 infantry
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I use it every game it looks fine for me
No no. They fixed that. It said so in a patch note once upon a time.
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Sure, now let’s get back to bad grandpa XD
You do know that standard grens can beat abus guns in even number right? Siege damage + splash just goes hard like that.
In any case, humba should lose to an even number of musks. Better than that, most goons can just out trade them.
yes the (checks notes) potentially 22 range skirm with siege dmg and access to rifling vs the 2 pop heavy infantry.
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And thats why range AoE should be reserved for Non artillery cibs only
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It is, what it is.
This is a great anecdote to prove your point. Kerimb is well known for being a top player with excellent micro. In fact, I heard that juliank had kerimb write the foreword to his micro guide.
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You forgot to write /s.
In any case, what happened did happen, and there’s a video.
All that aside, humba with the lower range resist are weaker to things that most grens might not be. For instance, goons take 0.5 damage from grens because of multipliers but grens also take 0.5 damage cuz of resistance - oddly even matchup at range (tho one-sided in melee), but humba kinda flatline there.
The real otto problem is the azap/CA/artillery comp but I guess were at the point of talking about that.
I forgot nothing. And yes, that there is a video of your anecdote. Proof of why just smashing units together in the scenario editor is a way to balance the game nor is relying solely on a spreadsheet.
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This is the biggest joke I have ever heard. This is how you know the unit counters have gone tits up.
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And how do you imagine that to happen? They have 4 more range and better speed than standard musks and are probably cheaper per pop
Edit: a standard european musk costs 30% more per pop than lategame Humbs
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People out here hyper focusing humba.
Meanwhile janissaries can walk through almost everything in age 2, azaps are heavy infantry that can have 20% range resist, otto cav archers with the flight archery are a true horror, and bombards can be 6 pop.
Those are the REAL problems going unnoticed for all the abus/humba crying.