Hello all! Kinda wanted to get a sense of where the community is at with pastures. Obviously Khitan pastures are controversial but after watching a SotL video on them I think they could be balanced and added as generic versions to other civs in the game! I think the following should receive BALANCED and generic versions of pastures with clear trade offs that work with the civ including:
Berbers
Mongols
Cumans
Huns
Tatars?
Turks? (HARD MAYBE)
For the love of God stop pushing this to make these civs beyond OP in many ways, Pastures and Herders are still overtuned if anything.
Bro, he said he wants them to be balanced first so chill and let people discuss what civs are deserving of pasture.
Huns need the pastures and SL line given to them.
It is crazy they don’t have SL line … consensus seems like they’re overpowered but you could balance them in other ways to add it
Never thought of Berbers, should they?
I wouldn’t give them to neither Turks or Tatars, mostly to distinguish them from Mongols, they were more settled after the disintegration of Gengis khan’s empire. You could give them to Gokturks if they were ever added.
Also I take the chance to say that I’m about to release a scenario for Huns with what I think they should get. No knight line but steppe lancers, possibly with a discount like for cav archers. And of course pastures instead of farms.
The architecture set issue is an evergreen. They should really get only dark age buildings lol. In my scenario you can’t build universities, markets, castles and initially not even siege workshops and docks. But that’s just a scenario so you can capture them.
Even the no house thing is kinda silly, specially because that forced the devs to give them stone walls as the only means to defend their base while Goths do not have them (but would have more reason to, see the Athanaric and Greutungi walls).
Sadly there does not seem to be any plans to give Pastures to other Civs as the Khitans’ Civ bonus was removed and integrated into Pastures themselves.
They would first need to nerf Pastures again and then re-introduce the Civ bonus before giving it to other Civs.
But yeah, I would love to see nomadic Civs receiving Pastures as well.
problem is pastures seem to be different from farms and thus we’d probably need to rewrite 50 different civ AIs
I tried giving mongols pastures instead of farms in the data file but I couldn’t get the AI player to build them so far…
Someone pointed out that the Berbers did indeed farm but not to the same scale as others. It was mostly subsistence farming meaning enough food for the family or maybe small communities. In addition to farming, there were many herders and pastoralists who specialized mostly in goat. I think giving Berbers both would not go down well. Seems like you could make an argument either way. Someone else disagreed because the Berbers are not technically considered a nomadic civ in the game!