First of all, it’s quite odd to have a mounted ‘centurion’. They are NCO officers supposed to fight should-by-shoulder with their fellow comrades. As an mounted unit, why not rename it to ‘scholaris palatinus’, member of the ‘schola palatina’, new military organzation created by Constantine I? Scholae Palatinae - Wikipedia
Besides, the helmet is an early-imperial Gallic type helmet. It just looks anachronistic with our legion, which has the late imperial outfit. Like this one
Please, please give Roman UU a late-Roman helmet and rename it as ‘scholaris palatinus’, or simply ‘scholaris’.
Nothing in aoe2 is named anything like ‘scholaris palatinus’ or even ‘scholaris’. This isn’t that sort of game.
It’s lightly historically accurate at best, enough to act as a diving off board for those who want to look into things more but doesn’t ram concepts down your throat. Naming a unit ‘scholaris palatinus’ would lead to a jaw injury, to continue the analogy.
I think ‘scholaris’ sounds weird because it’s so similar to ‘scholar’, which obviously means something very different. Also, ‘palatinus’ is too similar to ‘paladin’. I’d be inclined to go with ‘clibanarius’, although maybe there are other better options.
That said, I assume they picked ‘centurion’ mostly for name recognition as some kind of high-ranking Roman soldier. I don’t think you’d get that with any other name.
I’m not sure what you mean by this. There are already many unique units and techs with non-English names, and I don’t see what else your objection could be. It seems to me it’s exactly that sort of game.
I would have to go back and look at the structure of the late Roman army. I recall that they still had an officer that was called “centurion” or close to that name.
Yeah, it’s in the scenario editor. It’s also used as Belisarius hero model as well. I’m planning on saving this old model so when the new model comes out, I can use the old Centurion instead.
But turtle ship and Geobukseon are the same thing with different name. One is English translated, and the other is Korean trans-literated. However, Centurion and Scholaris are not the same thing. Like I said, centurion should be a foot soldier, and scholaris is indeed mounted, which fits the model.
Not really. Sure, there are examples of unique units with English names, but there are also many with non-English names that an English speaker would be unlikely to identify: Mangudai, Chu Ko Nu, Kamayuk, Condottiero, Genitour, Gbeto, Arambai, Konnik, Leitis, Keshik, Coustillier, Houfnice, Obuch, Ratha, Ghulam. Added to that, there’s several other borderline cases, e.g. Cataphract, Janissary, etc., plus various unique techs with non-English names. It seems odd that you would pick a Korean example, when they have unique techs called Eupseong, Shinkichon, and (formerly) Panokseon.
I don’t see how Scholaris would be any worse than these, or why it would seem like a departure from the usual way unique units are named. It even has the benefit of being easier for an English speaker to pronounce than some things already in the game.
This is a good point. Centurions are well-known enough that a mounted unit called a Centurion seems odd even to someone who doesn’t know much about the Roman Empire.
I think it depends on the unit and how popular it is which name they pick.
Turtle Ship is an easy to understand name that reflects the unit very well.
I think factors like how boring would be the translated name or how hard is it to pronounce.
Some things are also not translatable.
Newer Unique Units seem to be more likely to have their native names while older ones are more likely to have English names.
I think the Turtle Ship would be named Geobukseon if it would be added today.
And AoE2 is also available in other languages that have different names again.
According to the fandom wiki, current (as in, pre RoR) legion and centurion will be renamed to Imperial Legionary and Imperial Centurion. At RoR deployment, there will be NEW units called Legionary and Centurion/Elite Centurion, which will have slightly different models
I would really like the preRoR Legionary/PostRoR Imperial Legionary would get a slight buff, to make it different from the Legionary Roman UU. PreRoR Centurions have a inmense bonus against infantry. PreRoR Legionaries could get something like the Jaguar Warrior infantry bonus
In an ideal world… I would call the UU Magister Militum (since they buff units it seem a good fit to me), I just change the helmet from the model, and keep the armor but nerf the dmg from the stats since romans didn’t use stirrups.
But if they only reduce dmg from 12 (15) to 9 (12) it would be very balanced, specially if you keep in mind they give buff to infantry and can get a minor charge bonus.
Perhaps they planned the Centurion would change into that of the Imperial Centurion when the Elite upgrade is researched? Could they initially planned the Centurion as a regional unit for both the Byzantine and Romans? That does explain why current Centurions use the older Galea helmet instead of the Ridge helmet that they use in the Imperial version.
I prefer the term Comes or Comitatus for the Romans since they represented the Western Roman Empire, Magister Militum term was used by the Eastern Roman Empire.
The Legionary is also wrong imo since Legionary system was erased when Diocletian rise to the throne and reorganized the Roman army into Limitanei and Comitatensis, so I prefer they change the Legionary name to Comitatensis.
But since these two Roman unique units has been named as such since the era of AoE II HD, I guess them not changing their names is just a nod to the AoE II HD versions, and I suppose I can accept that (or just them being lazy, this is my cynicism speaking).
