I’m completely fed up. The developers create new pantheons with all kinds of archers—even mounted archers, hero archers, ….—and the Norse have no way to counter all that. They only have clumsy cavalry that gets stuck. The new Japanese pantheon added mounted archers, and the Norse still have nothing. The Chinese have all types of archers, and the Atlanteans have hero archers.
The Norse have nothing to counter all that archer spam. Please, the Norse need a long-range effective unit against archer spam! It’s impossible to win when you are attacked by two pantheons that have good long-range archers, like the Chinese, Atlanteans, and Egyptians.
The Norse melee infantry is defeated in less than 5 seconds. It’s a huge loss to the economy to lose your entire army in 5 seconds due to archer spam. **If you are not going to give the Norse a long-range unit against archer spam, then at least increase the Shields of all their infantry. The infantry is very weak against archers
THE PREVIOUS THREAD WAS UNFAIRLY HIDDEN TO SILENCE MY OPINION:
If you want to play an Archer civ don’t play the Norse, very simple. You have to accept this. You can make 1000 threads, it won’t change anything. No one agrees with you.
The opinion of every customer is equally valid. You didn’t pay more for the game as other people did. If most people think their game experience is better when Norse have no Archers then the developers would be stupid to add archers to the Norse, even if that opinion would be technically “wrong”.
I don’t know if you can read properly, but the thread clearly states that the Norse need a ‘unit against long-range archers’ to counter archer spam, because the Norse infantry including the Throwing Axeman is too weak against archer spam; it doesn’t last even 5 seconds in combat. Furthermore, their cavalry is easily countered by the opponent’s melee units, such as hoplites, samurai, or spearman….
It’s very difficult for the Norse in team games to face pantheons that have very good long-range archers because all of the Norse infantry is practically useless!
Okay, I’m going to clarify a few things so this thread works as it should.
First, we’re not closing this thread. I feel it’s different from the previous one and creates a new discussion regarding the new DLC.
Second, the previous thread was removed from the list because, honestly, the original discussion was already over; the ideal thing would have been to create a new thread.
Third, although it’s not in the rules, it’s understood that the use of Caps is annoying and unwelcome on the forum.
Fourth, I will not tolerate comments that are annoying or argue in bad faith with the original author.
Fifth, the discussion may get heated, but please, no disrespect.
Sixth and last, if anyone doesn’t like this thread, or the topic of discussion, or whatever, I invite you to not comment here and let the thread simply die, that’s all.
With all that out of the way, please continue the discussion as usual and ignore this comment.
You are still ignoring what i said before. What is japanese New range anti archer unit? They dont have one, and Just as norse they arent defenseless from the other civs. Yes they do have archers which serve a purpose Just like Throwing axemen as anti infantry units. And a ranged hero similar to godi
Just like the norse has husrkarl the japanese have shinobi a melee infantry unit with a bonus vs archers.
Im sorry this is what you wanna blame for not winning x o Y game or not having fun but its simply not the reality. People are playing norse at > 2 K elo and doing fine. Theres no hidden agenda, they have ways to deal with archers.
I would again encourage you to learn how to improve your gameplay rather than blame game design for an issue thats not true.
The Japanese have several long-range units. The Japanese long-range unit for countering archers is the Yumi Horse Archer because has a much faster Rate of Fire than any other archer. The Norse have nothing to counter all the archer spam; they only have clumsy cavalry that get stuck on each other and slow short-range units.
Horse archer against Chariot clearly wins with Sashimono Bannermen, as it gives them a x1.2 multiplier against cavalry (The Chariot Archer has a Cavalry tag too).
Godi (Hero) is a Hero unit and should be reserved against Myth units. Remember, Human soldiers → Heroes → Myth Units → Human Soldiers.
Throwing Axemen is Specificly anti-infantry, not wierd that it loses.
Curious that you thing it’s proving your point that Jarl+Raiding Cav loses when they run into Samurai, barely any flanking or surrounding at all.
As for no long ranged anti-archers. Have you tried the Ballista? Every Norse Major can get access to Fire Giants as well, it has an AoE special attack, have you tried that? Use units in conjunction with one another, Ballistae with Jarls, Huskarls with Fire Giants or even Battle boars or Trolls to break up tight Archer balls and tie them up with Cav or Huskarl. Also, Norse are proactive, you have to hold map control (which they’re great at), raid (also great at) and be aggressive to keep your opponent from amassing these deathballs (you guessed it, they’re great at that too).
It isn’t a discussion when you’re just sticking your fingers in your ears (figuratively) when people try to give tell you why they disagree with you, give you existing solutions or point out flaws in your argument. Please, I don’t want the Norse to be diluted and lose it’s identity and I am not alone on this. They have solutions, use them.
It’s not about your tastes or those of the 3 other users who support you, it’s about the fact that it’s impossible to play like this. All the pantheons have long-range units to counter archer spam, and the Norse have nothing.
What do you want me to do? Wait around for my enemies to advance to the Fourth Age just so I can finally attack with ballista , only for my rivals to massacre my entire army with Fourth Age god powers like the tornado, meteors, or implosion? Is that your solution? Or do you think people only send archers without anti-cavalry units to defend them, like Hoplites or Samurai?
I’ve already shown a lot of evidence in videos, and even though the moderators try to silence my opinion by hiding my threads, it’s clearly evident that the Norse infantry deserve a buff; it’s impossible to play against so much archer spam. The developers will continue to add more pantheons with stronger archers, like the Persian Immortal Archers, and the Norse have no way to counter all that. The Norse infantry doesn’t last even 5 seconds in battle against the archer spam.
Someone already pointed out why all of this are flawed but to add to it
Unit with bonus vs calv fighting a ranged cav
Archer vs infantry
Calv vs infantry
Archers vs ranged hero with low pierce armor
What other outcome do you expect? Its like having godi vas priest and claiming godi are OP and eggy has no counter vs them.
Its funny how theres no test vs actual counter archers really. Which is what you say they are, no peltast, Slingers, tuma, java, simply picked the scenarios that worked better to Support a fake conclusion.
Watch any match of norse above your elo and see what happens. Why do you refused to see that Just maybe its not 99% of people wrong and maybe, Just remotely maybe you reached a conclusion that thankfully isnt true.
Bad tests, made knowingly to Support it. You dont repeat them for correct takes and Just move on to complain about something else.
You might be speaking for some people, I’m sure. But WE also speak for some people too. Not everyone goes to the forums. MANY more than us 3 where here and begged to not make the mistakes of Extended Edition between then and now.
And just because the Norse don’t have the tool YOU want doesn’t mean they don’t have any tool.
You didn’t read the part about being proactive, did you? Being proactive SPECIFICALLY does not mean wait. You have aggressive tools force them back to their base and then expand your economy over theirs while keeping pressure, before mythic age is reached.
The Ballistae and Fire Giants AN option WHEN mythic age is EVENTUALLY reached.
You’ve also shown your simulations, running into hoplite/samurai because you are using attack move is obviously not going to work! and getting Norse “Peltasti/Slingers/Turmae/Javilineers” to attack move their projectiles into Hoplite/Samurai is not going to help you either!
And you keep being told that your evidence is faulty. Flaws upon flaws in your skewed simulations.
You just keep proving over and over again that you refuse to listenen to reason.
I’m not sure if it’s necessary for the Norse to have a long-range anti-archer unit, but one idea would be to rework the Godis to be like a hero version of the Peltast, like the Hero Turma (only good against other ranged soldiers and myth units). The Godis resemble the Peltasts, Wuzu Javelineers, and Skirmishers from AOE2, which would be appropriate to maintain some consistency in the units’ appearance and use.
I’m not here to argue whether the change is necessary or not from a gameplay or balance perspective, I just came to propose an idea.
I don’t understand why you keep brining up this unit. They have a 3x multiplier vs. Infantry, it is very obvious that they are only good against Infantry.
Curious that you almost never mention Huskarls. Maybe if you would argue about Huskarls needing a small buff people would be more likely to agree with you.
If it’s so hard then why are so many people picking Norse in team games, it’s to the point that many people complain about constantly facing Norse (though it’s Japanese now, but they are now).
All Norse gods are above 50% winrate (besides Loki at just under 50% in >1200 ELO) in Team Games.
So explain to me why Norse are doing so well despite not having an answer to mass Archers. They are evidently not doing bad. And no the statistics are not fake. Don’t use that excuse.
Maybe you are right that Norse struggle in that one specific scenario but if they didn’t have any scenario where they struggle they would be totally OP.
If it was impossible why does everyone else manage to do it. Maybe you need to adjust your play style to the game and not force the game to adjust to your play style.
If you hate fighting Archers without long range units that much you shouldn’t play Norse.
Hi, I just wnated to add that japanese also don’t have any ranged unit for countering ranged units. They also have to make horses and although they do get shinobi which is kind of fun to use but they are no where near my favorite unit of the game huskarls !!! I wish huskarls were also available in classical age.
Doesn’t BornWinter constantly putting counter units against Norse units in his videos claiming Norse cannot counter archers count as bad fate arguments?
You unfairly closed my thread without any valid argument and are now trying to sabotage my new thread by posting against me so that other users will do the same? Are you aware that a moderator cannot incite fights against a user with false arguments? Do you have any valid argument that isn’t simply discrediting my evidence and censoring my content on this forum? As a moderator, you are not being impartial. Now I understand why you closed my thread and the other moderator hid my thread, and when I created a new one, you closed it again for no reason. Freedom of expression does not exist on this forum because when a user has a differing opinion or debate point from the moderators, they are immediately censored by hiding and deleting their posts, limiting their account access for several days, and unauthorizingly modifying the user’s thread text to align with the moderator’s opinion—which is exactly what happened to me. Please, if you are not going to be impartial, you should not be a moderator.
Literally no one is trying to “silence” your opinion. We are on a gaming forum and not a political space where you can seriously get prosecuted for having a deviating opinion.
However, to be honest with you, you give vibes as if you only accept your opinion as the truth. Relying heavily on using capslock does not support your point either.
This could not be any more wrong. Feel free to scroll around the forums, also outside the AoM section. You will find that we allow discussion as long as everyone involved remains respectful.
Freedom of speech doesn’t apply to private places. Imagine someone coming into your place and then starts complaining about everything. Would you just let that person shout around constantly?
The rules say that you can’t create multiple threads on the same topic. Just because you worded it slightly different doesn’t make it a new topic.
You always disregard everyone else evidence. Your best arguments are:
All statistics are fake
People are being paid to argue against you
Everyone secretly hates the Norse and wants them to be unplayable
You don’t win an argument by ignoring other peoples arguments or just claim everything is fake.
I could just say stupid things like that you secretly used triggers in your videos that fire right after you check the unit stats to make one side win the battle or something like that. But I don’t.
As was being said. This is not a political discussion. We don’t gain anything from Norse being bad. Why should we all collectively want one pantheon being worse then the others?
Atlanteans, Chinese and Japanese are a lot more controversial then Norse, Greeks and Egyptians. Pretty much everyone likes the original pantheons.
I’m going to explain it to you very, very simply so you can understand why my arguments are valid and fair:
‘NORSE DON’T HAVE LONG-RANGE MILITARY UNITS AGAINST ARCHERS TO COUNTER ARCHER SPAM IN THE CLASSICAL AND HEROIC AGES’
‘You cannot remove a basic and necessary unit in the game from a pantheon because the game becomes frustrating and impossible to play.’
‘All Norse infantry doesn’t last even 5 seconds against archer spam, and Norse cavalry is incapable of defending against archer spam because they get stuck against each other and are easily countered by melee units like the Hoplite, Samurai…’
‘If the Norse are not allowed to have a basic and necessary military unit to defend against archer spam, their shields on all their infantry units should be improved so they don’t die too quickly, or another solution should be found to balance the game, since all other pantheons just spam archers.’
Did you understand???
Stop inventing excuses and lies to try to sabotage my thread.