But the civilization is not the Teutonic Order, because a Religious Order is not a culture.
I believe the original devs themselves have stated they are called Teutons, because that is what the Germanic part of the HRE was called during the period, the Regnum Teutonicorum.
This makes much sense.
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Please provide your evidence to back up your claim here. And I mean ACTUAL evidence such as cited sources from authentic authors and scholars.
That does not make them ādeservingā to warrant their own civ in Age2! Aztecs still had more of an impact on world history than the Tarascans, who were merely a bordering state that fought against the Aztecs. And though you are implying that the Mayans and Aztecs are āinferiorā than the Tarascans because they had āStone Age toolsā, let me remind you that the Mayans and Aztecs had develoepd advanced mathematics and calendars, advanced the study of astronomy and built gigantic and elaborate urban centers. There is a reason why the capital and heartland of the country of Mexico today is located in what was formally Aztec lands and not in Tarascans lands.
Also, I looked at the link you provided, and is looks like the Tarascans were not known for really much of anything: they offered no resistance to Hernan Cortezās conquistadores and meekly surrendered to Spanish rule. So even IF Tarascans were granted their own Age2 civ, how are you going to make their Campaign fun and exciting?
This seems like a weak argument. Time length of resisting a foe does not equal āempiredomā. The Tarascans did not even have a empire to begin with. They were just a backwater state that was batting heads against the much larger and more sophisticated Aztecs.
You are going to have to do better to convince me and other Age2 players on the merits of adding the Tarascans as a new civ.
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personally, if the devs are looking to add alot of architecture sets, i would love to see a New World DLC with Mapuche, Mississippians, and Iroquois. They could introduce and Andean one for Inca and Mapuche, and a woodland American one for the Iroquois and Mississippians. I think thereās a really nice way to make them unique gameplay wise and iāve even thought of a civ concept skeleton for all of them
Just as an example, the Mapuche could be a cavalryless approach at making a raiding civ like huns or mongols
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The current 9 civs are the same but with Swiss and Bengalis instead of Mapuche and Mississipians
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Nah, I donāt think they should add more american civs. There is not even one worthy enough.
Perhaps devs should explore the caucasus, the indian peninsula or SEA.
Tarascans are debatable.
Just because they had bronze. Even though they werenāt good at it.
But Muiscans and Mapuche are a huge no. The suggestion itself is absurd.
Inferior technology even among other contemporary american civilizations, small territory, irrelevant in history before the Spanish conquest and the contact with them, etc. They donāt make sense at all in aoe 2.
Aoe 3 civ.
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Their area of influence is actually pretty big if you include all the other american cultures they influenced in the case of Mapuche. They also fought the Incas and those decided to let the Mapuche alone
They were just tribes scattered all over the place. Like that, itās easy to stretch facts and say they āinfluencedā others. Itās like saying visigoths and osrogoths influenced minor tribes and should be added as 2 new civs.
So now we are going to add new civs just because of one battle against recon. Cool.
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Those are already represented. The Mapuche ahad a ton of influence over other peoples that basically adopted the Mapuche culture
Not saying that we need them (we dont) but they ddidnt have an small territory
Recon what? Recognizement? It was a real battle, but sure thats a minor thing
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Name more than 10 cultures.
11 the point is the Mapuche were just scattered tribes. Not even developed as a city-state at least.
Reconnaissance. They didnāt even faced the inca imperial army.
Battle of the Maule - Wikipedia
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We definitely need Mapuche more than any European civs, after DotD.
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Yeah they werent.
But saying they didnt have a big territory is false.
I know its not the main army. I wasnt being sarcastic when I said it was a minor thing
False. The Muisca Campaign without the Spanish would be more diverse than the Aztecs one.
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This is definitely not a valid argument. You know, Bohemians vs Teutons, Poland vs Teutons, Lithuanians vs Teutons isnāt much different on that regard.
I even see the argument even how isolated those civs are and once somebody mentions a possible campaign during the time frame between those different First people it gets bashed. You could easily make some Vietnamese type campaign with the Incas being the evil guys and the Chimor, Mapuche, Shuar the resisting ones. A type of campaign which I personally would find really cool.
You know, I kinda understand more the people that donāt want any civ at all than those which gatekeep the hell out of any possible civ which isnāt situated in Europe nor Asia, especially considering how underused the Eagle Warrior line is, not to mention possible new regional infantry or archer unit being introduced with those cav less civs. There is already the Camel Line, the Battle Elephant Line and the Steppe Lancer line as regional stable unit being used while in regards to infantry and archers, thereās only the Eagle Warrior so far.
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Bohemians, Poles and Lithuanians were important in history. Heck, even Serbs could be a new civ if their bonuses and units get differentiated enough from the current slavs. Because they played their part in history.
However, Muisca, Mapuche, Caribs, Diaguita, etc are so irrelevant and insignificant in history that they may as well not have existed at all and being replaced by other people from an alternative universe and the history of their regions would have been the same.
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All which matters for this game is did the faction exist during and has it to some extent recognizability or at least some cool stories to tell and as a producer, will you be able to sell your DLC with a faction like it.
In the grander scheme of things, Burgundy was a footnote, yet they are part of the game considering they have some recognizability due to the Joan of Arc campaign mostly.
The only way in my opinion to measure importance in a localized history like the Middle Ages were is regional importance. What Burgundy did did not impact at all the Khmer empire and vice versa etc.
Thatās why I honestly struggle to see Duchies or Empires which lasted for like 20 years and were done for afterwards to end up as playing field for the bordering superpowers like Serbia honestly is.
Sure, if Serbia would come with its own Balkan architecture set alongside Croats and Bosnian or whatever else you could come up with, I wouldnāt mind them. Would I put priority on those? No, not really when there are so many options still left in terms of Eagle Warrior civs as well as putting some love on those underused sets.
I really canāt see Serbia using EWs extensively and they would very likely not come with a new architecture set either so Iām not exactly thrilled to support Serbia as new civ.
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Definitely not. We will still need Armenians, Georgians, Serbs, perhaps Finns, Vlachs/Romanians and Venetians after DotD.
Before we start adding insignificant civs that are enough represented already anway.
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An Armenian or Georgian civ would be great tbh
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Totally agree but I feel they should add both, being quite different and from an underrepresented region.
Would give reason for the introduction of a new beautiful Caucasus architechture set too.
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They are diferent, partly because Armenians start earlier and have their later history on Turkey but at the same time, I think both would end up as cavalry, monk and defensive civs with decent infantry and great eco
So I am not sure we need both
Perhaps, both deserve their spot from a historical point of view nevertheless.
Guess they could be differentiated enough if needed, and a Caucasian architechture set would surely be welcomed by the fanbase, but itād just make sense designing it for more civs.
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