Eh, many other civs that also had these would be equally bad or worse examples. I’ll admit I’m not particularly knowledgeable about pre-contact Guaranis, but I’m curious as to which sources you’d recommend to learn about them. “Monasteries” or their equivalent is a given for a lot of civs as most societies would have had something like them. Universities though are a fairly particular and specialized type of building, so I’m a little surprised to hear that Guaranis had them. Similar case with siege weapons generally which were less common in the Americas. Or at least the way you phrased your comment suggests that they had University/Siege Workshop equivalents more so than most other civs we’re discussing here.
I agree. Hypothetically there are many dozens if not hundreds of civs that could be added. Realistically though I think we’ll get 10 or fewer, so even in brainstorming I prefer to focus on those that I think are best fits.
Like if the American civs would be the only ones having technologies they shouldn’t (pointing at landlocked European countries with a dock among others).
They might not have everything what they get from the tech tree, but they’re not the only ones on that regard.
You’re looking at this the wrong angle. It’s not “X is already bad so it’s okay to add Y which is even worse”, when the correct take is “X is already bad so let’s not add Y which is even worse”.
Moises Bertoni wrote the main work on Guarani Civilization (appropiately named, Civilización Guarani). Now, I can’t quite find the specific chapter, I think it’s chapter XVI of the third volume, but on a quick browse that talks more about the application of Guarani medicinal knowledge applied by europeans.
Regardless, the truth of the matter is that the Guarani had very in depth and extensive knowledge and organized study of the natural sciences. Which is what led to a really, really large portion of our current day botanical science vocabulary to come directly from guarani terminology and naming conventions.
If we count the colonial era, by the end of the 16th century there absolutely were centers of learning and religion in the Misiones.
As for Siege Workshops, well, I can’t quite point towards a single source (I guess Inca Garcilazo de la Vega wrote about it, wikipedia cites other colonial authors as well such as Ruy Díaz de Guzmán), but between the 15th and the 16th century the Guarani people came into many conflicts with the Inca in what’s labelled as the “Guarani Invasions”, most of which involved, well, fighting against Inca forts.
If we move really farther into colonial times the Guarani also have the odd claim of being one of the few indigenous people to fabricate cannons on their own, but at that point we’re talking about the 18th century or so.
Yes, that’s why I don’t see the Guarani in AoE 2 because if they don’t reach the 16th century… on the other hand, in AoE 3 it starts in the 15th century (they fight against the Incas) and from there until the 18th century and that’s it. then you connect with some revolution like Paraguay to reach the middle of the 19th century…
The approach to take is “there’s a rough equivalent in this culture we FE devs want to add to a building X or a unit Y, let’s design it within the framework of the game”. Bohemians didn’t have a naval tradition, but it doesn’t matter.
I’m just pointing at the double standards here.
I’d like a few South American civs be added to the game, mostly Muisca, Chimu, Mapuche and Tupi. Getting at least one more would be already great.
Here’s a great documentary in French by ARTE on the civilizations of the Amazonas:
Yes, that separation seems good to me, the Muiscas can face the same Muiscas and the Spanish and the Chimus can go in the Pachacutec campaign…the Tupi and the Mapuche could be like their WoL versions in AoE 3…
So that’s the issue, most of what I know is in spanish (or God forbid, guarani since that’s a co-official language in Paraguay.)
The book I cited goes very in depth with all the botanical knowledge the Guarani have and their cultural practices in general, although it’s from the 1920s so it gets a tad bit funny at times.
I, however, have no idea if it has ever been translated into english.
Since you are the judge jury and definitely Not a control freak why dont YOU tell us peons what your lordship demands at this very moment because its almost as effective as your rudeness
Bohemians had a lot of things to be put in the game, even if some of them had to be forced in for gameplay purposes. How many AoE2 elements did the Tupi have in real life?
Sons of Heaven DLC with Jurchens, Khitans, Tanguts, Tibetans and Uyghurs as new civilizations, as well as Taizong of Tang, Hojo Tokimune, Wanyan Wuqimai, Abaoji, Gojong of Goryeo, Li Yuanhao, Songtsen Gampo and Bayanchur Khan campaigns.
