(POLL) Should the GRENADIERS use a musket as their weapon?

[Josh1Axel]

@coffeeco01

then what you get is kinda a reverse Peruvian Legion revolutionary

which also fluctuates between busted and useless

Its very hard to use since the opponent can just kite in and out of range to cause animation changes

Sure, it also frustrates me how slow those units are when using the grenade launcher. I would prefer if they had musket reloading animation.

@SirBarnzy1

• Grenadiers become essentially the ‘standard’ version of Giant Grenadiers (I mean even while typing that it makes sense - it even shares the name!). Embrace the Heavy Infantry role along with grenade siege. It has obvious counters and function.
• For those that miss the original Grenadier slot, we have a Sapper who offers the cheap siege unit role, albeit with far clearer purpose which sits alongside other siege units… *rather than doing a little of an existing unit’s role to a much poorer extent.

Everything you mention is interesting. I also had an idea of implementing Sappers, but I was thinking of these units more as an equivalent unit to Grenadiers for Native American civilizations.

I also believe that the idea of having a “siege infantry” category, as mentioned in this post, is feasible. I also consider that this “siege infantry” might not just be a “cheap version of artillery.” Cannons can still attack without a minimum range (it’s common for a falconet to destroy a group of pikemen even if they have reached the falconet). So, it could be interesting for the “siege infantry” to have a powerful melee attack, but this melee attack has a x0.5 penalty against cavalry.

@SirBarnzy1

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@TheClaymore2004

What if instead of just a normal musketeer, we make it a sort of riffle rider, with multis vs cav and heavy infantry in melee but also a multi vs heavy infantry at range?

@SirBarnzy1

Not sure

Reasoning:

• Having a Grenadier with a musket act like a musketeer is fairly intuitive - musketeer with funny mitre hat and a bag of grenades? I can tell that’s a heavy Infantry ‘shooter’ with a decent siege attack.
• Having it as a heavy Infantry which is great vs cav and other heavy Infantry at both melee and range makes it a little too powerful plus not as readable. Muskets are your general use ranged attack with the bayonets being the real counter (Caroleans aside).

Harking back to the old RTS ‘Cossacks: European Wars’, everyone had normal, musket-wielding Grenadiers alongside their Musketeers. They shot at range, had bayonets and threw grenades so technically better than Musketeers, however they were far expensive than general troops so it would be ludicrous to have huge armies of them.

@TheClaymore2004

They wouldn’t have a ranged multi VS. cav, just HI.

I don’t think it’s convenient to make radical changes to a unit that has been around for 18 years.

However, it could be interesting to give a unit the behavior of an “Eevee” (multiple evolution)

As I mentioned, I would like any changes to the Grenadier to feel like “adding new content.”

Even in my idea of adding a new politician called “Army Reformer,” we could include “Line Grenadiers” in barracks and also add the “Sapper” in artillery foundry.

But well, that’s just my opinion. I’m liking how this post is shaping up