[Poll](Updated) Which civs would you like to see in the game? (All popularly requested civs included)

[Parthnan]

@MatCauthon3

@Parthnan

Still basically very close to middle ages

yes, which leaves us wide open to explore options with some native civs.

But before we move onto those minor civilizations(<5 million population each) there are many more deserving old world civilizations like

Palas (40+ million population, 10% world’s GDP in middle ages, had all technologies, some of the biggest armies of mankind),
Dravidians (=Tamils+Vijaynagara+North Srilanka, Again 30 million population, another 10% world’s GDP in middle ages),
Oriya(10 million population IIRC, another 3% World GDP, Advanced in medieval technologies),
Swahili (10 milion again IIRC, huge landmass, big navy),
Kongolese (10 milion again IIRC, huge agrarian landmass with hierarchical medieval political system),
Zimbabweans (20 million population, 5% World’s GDP)

Remember I have myself campaigned for the two Nat am civs Aruacans and Mapuche

Age of Empires 2 civilizations - roadmap for the future

(note: I am not opposing fixing the current issues :cheaters and bugs ) If we have learnt anything about AOE2, it is that “More the civs the better”. There is nothing to lose with more and more civs covering more and more of the world. For the LONG TERM, The game must go on, and people should be entertained with new stuff, that’s what matters. NOT disputes over historical similarities between civs OR over why this or that civ is insignificant. I hereby propose 65 total civilization…

But these minor civilizations each with hardly any comparable Population (the above are >20 times more in Pop and GDP), Technology as well as GDP must come much later, after the more significant ones are covered.

[Juggernaut8704]

Native american civs from north america region are quite deserving in my opinion, atleast the Iroquois. We also have a iroquois warrior unit in scenario editor. They can share the mesoamerican architecture if nothing.
Also South america needs some love, giving Inca a unique Architecture and some sister civs such as Chimu or Mapuche or Muisca that can share the Architecture.

[Parthnan]

I also want to see as many civs as posible. I would love to have 8 Nat ams too

But it should come only after India and Africa are covered properly, again because of the difference in sheer size and scale

Those who like to play Nat am civs, have AOE3 for it. It is a fact that the Nat ams were not open to other civilizations before that period.

Until 1500 they were not arranged in civilizational hierarchies of the scale required to form stable states.

[Juggernaut8704]

@Parthnan

Nat ams were not open to other civilizations before that period.

But it will be nice to recreate the expansion of Incas throughout Andes defeating the neighboring civs.

[Parthnan]

It would, but moreso if these other civs were also significant in Population, Scale, and Size, aand if they actually had MEDIEVAL TECHNOLOGY.

Which is also why the major civilizations in India and Africa should be prioritzed

[Juggernaut8704]

I think you should watch this documentary on the mighty Incas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfDdeNmZJY4

[Parthnan]

Didnt I specifically say the Incas and mesoamerica were a major civilization?

@Parthnan

I say what I say because of their level of technology and low population in medieval times before Columbus. (Before 1500). They do not make the cut as far as I am concerned for adding into DE as major world civilizations.

Mesoamericans and Incas, were major civs though.

[MatCauthon3]

and what is your source for all this information?
GDP is a relatively new concept to the world (1900s and beyond), and according to this

Demographics of India

the population of India was average around 100 million in the 1500s a far cry from the combined combined 270 million people you are making them out to be.

furthermore if GDP and Population was what they used to base on who deserves what, SE asia would have dominated the release of the game.

I’m not saying India doesn’t deserve more civs (provided they add them), i just completely disagree with the concept that they are the highest priority. Asia and Europe have lots of representation while Africa and North America (outside of Central America) have very little.

the first battle you have to realize is that even if they add more civs, they might not add that many more, and considering they have said they don’t want to add more, if they do, i doubt it would be the “Many civs” that some people want. if we only get 4 or 5 civs should they really be used on areas that already have high representation?

@Parthnan

Those who like to play Nat am civs, have AOE3 for it. It is a fact that the Nat ams were not open to other civilizations before that period.

except AoE2 and AoE3 are completely different games with completely different styles of play. clearly i want to play AoE2.

[Parthnan]

@MatCauthon3

he population of India was average around 100 million in the 1500s a far cry from the combined combined 270 million people you are making them out to be.

I got affected by this, I was also surprised how it could be 250 million

But the point remains, as they were still like 40+ million

and no other civilization outside of Han or Indian ones come even close to that population in medieval ages, forget the nat am tribes

[MatCauthon3]

and i asked him earlier in the thread, those are modern populations.

@Parthnan

and no other civilization come even close to that population in medieval ages, forget the nat am tribes

and if population is what mattered most, Asia would have dominated the original release of the game with all sorts of Civs, including India. but that isn’t what matters most.

[Juggernaut8704]

check the percentage it made up out of the whole world.

[MatCauthon3]

maybe so, but again, if population mattered as much as parthnan is making it out to be, why didn’t Asia dominate the original release civ wise?

[Juggernaut8704]

that’s what this thread is all about, requesting the under-represented regions.

they prioritised regions one after other in each dlc to include more and more civs.

[Parthnan]

It doesn’t matter what happened at release as long back in 1997 , now that in 2020 the markets across the world are open in gaming, all major civs across the world should be given representation
based on their historical size, scale, population, and historical GDP.

And that obviously includes the Tamils, the Lankans, the Kongolese, the Oriya, the Bengalis, the Zimbabweans and so on. It includes African and Indian civilizations

[MatCauthon3]

but India isn’t underrepresented though. sure, they got suckered with an umbrella civ just like China and the Slavs did, but if representing the under represented areas is what matters the most, then wouldn’t Africa be the highest priority?

@Juggernaut8704

they prioritised regions one after other in each dlc to include more and more civs.

except the first two DLC didn’t target an area. only the last 3.

@Parthnan

now that in 2020 the markets across the world are open in gaming, all major civs across the world should be given representation
based on their historical size, scale, population, and historical GDP.

1. purely your own opinion.
2. by this logic, South African civs should be the highest priority, seeing as they have zero representation.

[Juggernaut8704]

@MatCauthon3

then wouldn’t Africa be the highest priority?

it is one of them, no one is denying. Are you?

[Parthnan]

@MatCauthon3

by this logic, South African civs should be the highest priority.

No Indian civs should over even southern africa, because of the huge difference in population, GDP and technology.

And I am asking for Southern Africa to be added too

[MatCauthon3]

@Juggernaut8704

it is one of them, no one is denying. Are you?

no, but @parthnan seems to think India should be a higher priority.

see?

@Parthnan

No Indian civs should over even southern africa, because of the huge difference in population, GDP and technology.

[Juggernaut8704]

I see all the old world civs at the same level.

[Parthnan]

Which is why the addition of civs should be based on real historical GDP, population, scale, politics and technology data.
So that we’re clear of biases for any particular civilization(s)

And that is why i’m fighting for more African civs too