[Poll](Updated) Which civs would you like to see in the game? (All popularly requested civs included)

From business point of view, it is not. Given that it (and the associated campaign/content) covers one of the most popular event in medieval history.

What event is this? I donā€™t know it

Hundred years war, just very popular aspect of history

I knew this between english and France, never burgundy :stuck_out_tongue:

They were kind of trying to make use of this opportunity to increase their own power and break free from France, but basically they were pretty influential on the outcome of it

Burgundy played a crucial passive role in that war - look at struggle between Armagnacs and Burgundians. They were occupied with each otherā€¦ But that does not support their addition into the game IMO.

I partly understand the reasoning about missing low lands representationā€¦ But that area was covered by Teutons as HRE so devs began HRE partitioning :slight_smile:

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We know enough about them via local myths, legends and oral history to make campaigns out of them. Sure, theyā€™re not as much in popular culture here in Europe, but that makes them even more interesting in my opinion, because treading on known ground is not that interesting.

Iā€™ve participated times and times again in those types of discussions and Iā€™ve seen majorly three blocks:

  1. People who donā€™t want civs at any prize.
  2. People who want civs who very strictly fit within the AOE2 frame work which is a quite eurocentric tech tree.
  3. People who want new and interesting stuff from uncovered regions and see AOE2 more as history flavoured game. I have no issue with a Tongan Galleon with +1 range compared to other FU Galleons, like I donā€™t have an issue with a Khmer Fast Fire Ship. The Galleon just works as a way to represent a strong navy, so Tongans having great Galleons makes completely sense within this logic.

I want cool new civs with new architecture sets and brand new stories to tell, thatā€™s why I bought expansions in the past. I found Khmer as an addition back in the HD days one million times more interesting than Burgundians ever were, even though after trying them out I like their playstyle. Though if I had to choose, Iā€™d rather see the boni used by a Tufan civ with a new architecture set than the Burgundians which arenā€™t that interesting from a coverage point of view.

This is all I have to say.

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Pueblo, Hohokam, Huron, Haudenosaunee, Mixtec, Toltec, Zapotec, Tarascans, Tepanecs, Chimu, Muisca, Mapuche, Carib, Tupi, Shuar, Abenaki,ā€¦

You very well know what I mean. Mali gets a Gbeto warrior which is a Dahomey Kingdom unit and the Indians civ is just a mess. China could have tons of civs too (Uyghur, Tufans, Jurchen, Manchu,ā€¦)

This is exactly what I mean. Slavs represent Serbs, Croats, Poles, Bohemians etc. if you think that Bavaria and Saxony are represented by Teutons. Be consequent at least:

They shouldnā€™t have added Duchies to begin with. Itā€™s just becoming a mess now.

Mali represents West Africa with their design. Theyā€™d have Mandekalu cavalry instead of the Dahomey Gbeto which is actually a unit from the 18th century.

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Yet on the first map posted by you there is also Bohemia while at same time you say Slavs represent Bohemians. I think the key problem is in-game Slavs do not represent all Slavs. They represent just a specific group. It is like saying Franks represent all Germanic tribes in Europe.

And thats the problemā€¦ Slavs should be renamed to Ruthenians or Rus. And somehow west Slavs should be resolved.

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What about Georgia ?

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Maybe its because Europe in terms of size is just 3 times India and has o of the population and wealth of India during the middle ages and India also had multiple religions and not just multiple versions of christianism. And Europe has like what, 16 civs? The most civs out of any continent despite Asia deserving many more?

Even Eastern Europe has like 6 civs which is still pretty good representation

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Itā€™s highly likely that Polish will be added to the game. So that should help addressing the biggest gaping hole in that regards.

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Swahili is more worthy civ than a 20th European duchy:

Tibetans, one of the biggest empire in Medieval History:

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ā€œ(ā€¦) myths, legends and oral history (ā€¦)ā€. You realize that this doesnā€™t help your argument, right? Youā€™re admitting that there is no recorded history of these areas in the time period of AoE2. How can you say that we know ā€œenoughā€ about these nations in order to build a faction? What bonuses would they get, what Wonder would did they build, what UU would represent them, what UT did they discover that allowed them an edge over their enemies? You have some factions that would have one of these things (Great Zimbabwe could be considered a monument for the Mutapans), but I donā€™t think thereā€™s enough to warrant a full faction :confused:

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I can easily fill all those blank parts.
UU: Assegai
UTs:
Citadels
Slave Trade/some random infantry UT named after another south african weapon

bonuses: spearmen and skirm bonuses, maybe some defensive ones

If you want a design for Kongolese is even easier to do

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Let me just add that the Mutapans werenā€™t really at the civilizational level of the Ethiopians, Malinese, Kanembu, Somali or the Swahilis for that manner. They were an Iron age civilization at best.

Great, now tell me, which campaign should they get? Since all new DLC factions are likely to get a Campaign.

Eh, not a fan of that trend personally.

Either way either give them an scenario fighting the Portuguese maybe in a ā€œBattles of Africaā€ campaign or instead just make a campaign for the first two kings (and I know there isnt a ton of info there but we still have a Judith cmapaign)

The 50 year Mutapa Expansion.

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Those regions recorded their history in a non written manner. Doesnā€™t make them less legit to be an addition in my honest opinion.

Iā€™m sure historians which are experts on that regard would be willing to help where it isnā€™t as obvious and Iā€™m confident Forgotten Empires could do that if they really wanted it.

I had no idea who the Cumans were before they got added and what their speciality would be. Same thing could be done for the civs Iā€™m suggesting.

I could ask you the same question what a Bavarian UU would be? What would be their UT, what their speciality, what their wonder. Sure, it could be done but Iā€™m asking should it? Are there no more interesting civs to add than one of 40 European Duchies or Kingdoms which lasted for barely 20 years while thereā€™s still huge world regions remaining untapped?

Iā€™ve designed a Mapuche civ, I designed a Mississippian civ, it can be done if itā€™s wanted.

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