# Portuguese Historical flavour **URL:** \ **Category:** III - Discussion\ **Created:** [July 4, 2024, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574 "2024-07-04T11:17:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MonsieurMoustache](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/monsieurmoustache/32/163760_2.png) [@MonsieurMoustache](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/MonsieurMoustache)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/1 "2024-07-04T11:17:56Z")
This is something that’s been on my mind for a while. Ports has been in need of some historical flavour for a long time Since 2005 they’ve had one of its Church card technologies (encomienda manor) named in spanish! The Iberian Union a huge event in the history of Portugal and Spain isn’t referenced at all in the game, its end could even be a card for the spanish, a portuguese revolution like and Belgian revolution cards for the Dutch Finally I would like to ask everyone that plays Ports, what do you think about the HCC Estremoz Field Guns and House of Bragança, have you ever even used them? ---
**Author:** ![Kingfisher1787](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/kingfisher1787/32/142926_2.png) [@Kingfisher1787](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Kingfisher1787)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/2 "2024-07-04T11:52:15Z")
> [@MonsieurMoustache](#): > > Finally I would like to ask everyone that plays Ports, what do you think about the HCC Estremoz Field Guns and House of Bragança, have you ever even used them? Field Guns for Ports: why? Organ guns are great. It’s only one falc in age 3, and 2 in age 4 (if I’m right). Not worth the card imo. House of Brag isn’t one I’d normally use, but on a few maps it could be worth it. ---
**Author:** ![MonsieurMoustache](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/monsieurmoustache/32/163760_2.png) [@MonsieurMoustache](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/MonsieurMoustache)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/3 "2024-07-04T14:14:49Z")
I used it once, it’s nice to have cannons, but in age 3 no one is going to spend a shipment on just one field gun, and in Age 4 you get access to heavy cannons. On another note I was always curious as to what they are referencing by naming the card after Estremoz, it’s not a frontier town more like 2nd line of defense, and why does it have the republic of Portugal’s colors on the image?! ![estremoz](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/3/4/34f35e3a5735e706c9201fc9a21d8218100b824c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![SirBarnzy1](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/sirbarnzy1/32/130346_2.png) [@SirBarnzy1](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SirBarnzy1)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/4 "2024-07-04T16:14:58Z")
This is a fairly common want, and a totally justified one. More Port flavour. Remove Spanish wordings, etc. Going further, and again, reiterating what’s been posted before - give them actual Portuguese units. Remove the Organ Gun (make it an Eastern European merc arty) and give them **Berços** (Portugeuse swivel guns) or something. Armoured Fidalgos/Aventureiros melee units with two-handed Montante would be nice touch too - or even a Nau (warship) - replacing the Caravel. ---
**Author:** ![GalacticSet8679](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/galacticset8679/32/147219_2.png) [@GalacticSet8679](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/GalacticSet8679)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/5 "2024-07-04T18:36:03Z")
Maybe also rename their hussar to cavalaria ligeira? The Portuguese never used Hussars as a designation. ---
**Author:** ![Kingfisher1787](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/kingfisher1787/32/142926_2.png) [@Kingfisher1787](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Kingfisher1787)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/6 "2024-07-04T19:10:00Z")
**If** we have to remove the Organ Gun, at least make it a Polish standard artillery unit. I can imagine the fun of CA/Org or Lipka Tartar/Org now. ---
**Author:** ![SirBarnzy1](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/sirbarnzy1/32/130346_2.png) [@SirBarnzy1](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SirBarnzy1)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/7 "2024-07-04T20:35:05Z")
Yeah, I’m all in favor for that - Organ Guns stayed in use with the Polish (and Russians) longer than Western Europe. If Poles get a Cossacks rev (which should be a definite, right? :D), then they should use them too as Cossacks were fond of them as well. ---
**Author:** ![YolkyPage166](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/yolkypage166/32/29229_2.png) [@YolkyPage166](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/YolkyPage166)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/8 "2024-07-04T21:52:12Z")
I think it’s based in this: > **[Regimento de Artilharia 3.](https://ahm-exercito.defesa.gov.pt/details?id=41799)** > > Este sub-fundo é constituído por livros de registo de informações e correspondência expedida para diversas autoridades. The reason it has the colours of the republic is beyond me, though. ---
**Author:** ![YolkyPage166](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/yolkypage166/32/29229_2.png) [@YolkyPage166](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/YolkyPage166)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/9 "2024-07-04T22:44:06Z")
I just wanted to add that I made a [post discussing exactly this](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/suggestions-to-make-ports-more-interesting/236081) (I believe you already know it, [MonsieurMoustache](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/MonsieurMoustache)) that gained quite a decent amount of traction, so I doubt the devs don’t have at least a passing knowledge of people’s opinions on the state of Portugal’s flavour. Personally, I don’t fully believe in some of my ideas in this post, but I still believe that most of them would, at least, be more interesting additions than what the devs ended up adding for Ports. ---
**Author:** ![MUTYLATOR5553](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/mutylator5553/32/115284_2.png) [@MUTYLATOR5553](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/MUTYLATOR5553)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/10 "2024-07-05T12:19:46Z")
The Organ Gun should be the standard artillery unit for European civs. ---
**Author:** ![GalacticSet8679](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/galacticset8679/32/147219_2.png) [@GalacticSet8679](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/GalacticSet8679)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/11 "2024-07-05T18:07:12Z")
Might as well make it the Congreve rocket at that point ---
**Author:** ![Kingfisher1787](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/kingfisher1787/32/142926_2.png) [@Kingfisher1787](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Kingfisher1787)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/12 "2024-07-05T22:55:41Z")
I believe the phrase is “don’t threaten me with a good time” ---
**Author:** ![Notonline1](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/notonline1/32/146888_2.png) [@Notonline1](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Notonline1)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2024, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/13 "2024-07-06T11:32:30Z")
Only if the portuguese card stops removing the need to unlimber. ---
**Author:** ![ArrivedLeader22](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/arrivedleader22/32/29255_2.png) [@ArrivedLeader22](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ArrivedLeader22)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/14 "2024-07-07T16:26:10Z")
> [@Radical idea: make all Royal Guards unique units](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/radical-idea-make-all-royal-guards-unique-units/255548/7): > > The legion also served the French instead of the Portuguese crown so, even if this idea of making all RG into Unique Units doesn’t go through with the devs, they still should change the Portuguese RGs. The Musk RG can be renamed to Fuzo and the Dragoon to Alorna’s Legionário. I actually wrote about idea’s for Port changes in the post below. Also better royal guard names. ---
**Author:** ![GalacticSet8679](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/galacticset8679/32/147219_2.png) [@GalacticSet8679](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/GalacticSet8679)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/15 "2024-07-07T16:58:49Z")
What names would work for the Portuguese? For their RG units? I can’t think of any good ones. ---
**Author:** ![Kingfisher1787](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/kingfisher1787/32/142926_2.png) [@Kingfisher1787](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Kingfisher1787)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/16 "2024-07-07T17:50:45Z")
Getting all of their infantry and cavalry units to RG wouldn’t be too hard. They already have RG Musks, Pikes, Crossbowmen, and Dragoons. They’d only need RG Halbs, Hussars and Cassadors. Maybe RG Grens too. Though personally I’d be more inclined to just go with RG Gunpowder infantry and cavalry. The RG pikes could be reverted. ---
**Author:** ![RatcicleFan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ratciclefan/32/115119_2.png) [@RatcicleFan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/RatcicleFan)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/17 "2024-07-07T18:32:44Z")
> [@Kingfisher1787](#): > > Field Guns for Ports: why? Organ guns are great. It’s only one falc in age 3, and 2 in age 4 (if I’m right). Not worth the card imo. Organ guns might be great but Ports pretty much never used them. ---
**Author:** ![Kingfisher1787](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/kingfisher1787/32/142926_2.png) [@Kingfisher1787](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Kingfisher1787)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/18 "2024-07-07T18:37:28Z")
It’s a fair enough point historically speaking. In game I love them as a unit, and they support the Portuguese unit comps well. Having said that, giving OGs to Poland seems like a great opportunity. > [@Kingfisher1787](#): > > **If** we have to remove the Organ Gun, at least make it a Polish standard artillery unit. I can imagine the fun of CA/Org or Lipka Tartar/Org now. ---
**Author:** ![GalacticSet8679](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/galacticset8679/32/147219_2.png) [@GalacticSet8679](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/GalacticSet8679)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/19 "2024-07-07T18:39:24Z")
Eh. Poland had standardised field guns pretty early on. Maybe for a card/revolution about Cossacks or as a mercenary shipment, but not as a UU. Poland should have a unique infantry who is weak, as well as unique cavalry. ---
**Author:** ![TheSquidEmpire](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/thesquidempire/32/102570_2.png) [@TheSquidEmpire](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheSquidEmpire)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2024, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574/20 "2024-07-08T02:15:59Z")
it would also be great to have a unique look to the feitoria town centers! I did this concept art a while back for that > [@Further unit graphic changes wishlist thread (tm)](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/further-unit-graphic-changes-wishlist-thread-tm/236524/28): > > I love the feitoria idea! I did a concept for what an age 3 feitoria TC might look like ![](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/8/f/8f53875467e342f160a9696a4cee640f50cd0ed3.jpeg) [Next page](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/portuguese-historical-flavour/256574.md?page=2)