I never minded the Old West Guardians, since revolvers and lever-action weapons were pretty popular in South America. However, adding Guardian versions of the Revolution’s flagship units (Húsar de la Muerte, Legionario Peruano, etc.) and of the Incas for the largest treasures would be great.
Speaking of treasures, I would love to see an Aguará Guazú pet that can be obtained from a treasure on the Pampas map, but that it’s too much to ask.It’s always nice to give endangered species some visibility. Maned wolf - Wikipedia
Holy Sites already appear in all regions except North/Central America. Jesuits and Sufis show up in Africa, Jesuits also appear in two South American maps, and Tengris show up on a few Eurasian maps together with royal houses. Otherwise I hope you’re right.
I agree with you. We need more variety. However, I think it’s rather strange that they decided to give the Sámi only 3 technologies instead of 4 technologies + a big button power like the royal houses. It makes them look like they were introduced back in 2005. I wish older natives could receive one or two new techs in order to be on par with the new ones.
In my opinion they’re getting way too loosey-goosey with where they’re putting minor civs.
In the new maps they’ve got Royal houses in the Caribbean and West Africa which is weird. If the only justification is that it was a colony of a royal house then basically everywhere on earth should have royal house minor civs.
Outside Europe I think there should only be royal houses present if a monarch actually resided in the country. For example Maximilian I of Mexico or the Braganzas in Brazil if the ever became a royal house.
I agree with this request; there have long been calls for Native American tribes to receive the same treatment as European Royal Houses, which are better adapted and better represented than the older, minor tribes. Technologies should be added for native factions that have fewer than four technologies at their trading posts, and the “Big Button” ability should be included, just as it is for the Royal Houses.
Indeed, new native factions need to be added to the South American maps, and existing native tribes—such as the Mapuche, Tupi, and Quechua—should be reworked by adding new units, technologies, and the “Big Button” ability. Europe is well represented, but what about Central and South America? They feel quite empty and feature very few native factions. I hope the developers consider reworking the maps and native content for South America. I recall the Wars of Liberty mod featuring excellent South American maps with dynamic weather—rain, sunsets, and nightfall—and impressive wildlife; it truly felt like being in that part of the world. And the music—I loved the Wars of Liberty soundtrack; it really immersed you in the 19th-century setting. Hopefully, the developers can replicate something like that in the future.
Using the maps we currently have for South America, I think the following minor South American Natives could be included in the game, showing new ones in bold:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure Quechua didn’t live even in the westernmost parts of Amazonia. Arawak, from what I know about them, also don’t belong anywhere in modern Brazil.
Carib make little sense in Amazonia, same with Arawak. OK, I guess there are Arawak and Carib people who lived in the Amazon, like ethnically, but having an umbrella native site that represents both the ones that lived in the actual Caribbean and then the mostly unrelated ones that just happen to speak a similar language in the Amazon may be casting too wide a net.
Diaguita have absolutely nothing to do with Patagonia lmao (also Patagonia is designed as a map without native sites anyway)
Ain’t Caranqui too much of a deep cut for a native site? Like they are more of a Precolombine thing, we don’t even know what their real name was.
Neither Aymara nor Diaguita have anything to do with Araucania.
Assuming that by the Arawak we mean all Arawakan speaking peoples (such as Taíno, Wayuu, Lokono, Baniwa, etc.), then there actually were Arawakan groups in what is modern-day Brazil, with groups such as the Manao (the namesake of the Brazilian city of Manaus), Aroaqi and the Kariaí in the Brazilian Amazon. There were also Arawakan groups in other areas of Brazil, such as the Paresí or the Waurá peoples in Mato Grosso.
I included the Quechua in the Amazonia map to represent the Quechua speakers that settled in the Amazon region after the Inca conquered Ecuador and Southern Colombia. Sure, they were not native to the Amazon, but they settled there and developed a particular culture and distinct Quechua language variety (known as Kichwa) that still survives to the present-day. They refer to themselves as the Inga people and have been living along the Putumayo river in the Amazon for centuries now.
Very few Cariban peoples lived on the actual Caribbean Islands per se, they lived mostly on the Caribbean coast of South America, mostly in what’s today the Guianas, Venezuela and Colombia. Some did live all the way down to the Amazon river.
For the Diaguita, you’re right, they shouldn’t have been included on the Patagonia map and I included the Aymara and Diaguita on the Araucanía map out of proximity only.
Maybe we could have more South American maps than the ones we already have to be able to cover those specificities.
About the Caranqui, even though most of the information we have about them comes from archeological findings, their language went extinct during the 18th century, so they did have some colonial contact with their two conquerors, the Inca and the Spanish.
I mean yeah I find it kinda goofy in general to suggest new native sites and not new maps.
I remember someone posted a really good tentative map of all the possible maps in South America about a month ago or so during the beta test, anyone’s got it?
Li’l Thumb made it on discord, so if anyone has it it’s them. Idk if they’re on the forum tho.
I’d rather have Amazonia be split into multiple smaller regions. It’s almost as big as the contiguous US, there’s no good reason for all of that to be represented by a single map. I’d rename the current one to Amazon River or Manaus.
A lot of maps designed to not have minor civs have at least one by now, so I think this is irrelevant.
I don’t really see a better alternative to the umbrella approach. The options are basically:
A) Go with hyper specificity and have a multitude of different native on only 2-3 maps each. That’s a ton of work, and quickly becomes overwhelming to keep track of.
B) Have a multitude of different natives and add a bajillion overlapping and/or tiny maps to make room for them. This is obviously a tremendous amount of work and could easily lead to a quantity over quality issue.
C) Pick specific groups and use them even on maps where they didn’t live. Most people aren’t fans of the South American Zapotecs.
D) Pick a very broad, vaguely accurate category like Caribs or Cree. You lose some nuance like this but lets you get a ton of milage out of each minor civ.
