The Xianbei were an ancient nomadic people that once resided in the eastern Eurasian steppes in what is today Mongolia, Inner Mongolia, and Northeastern China.
(Xianbei - Wikipedia)
The Tuoba or Tabgatch was an influential Xianbei clan in early imperial China.
(Tuoba - Wikipedia)
It is clear that you just looked at a map and made up something (as you’ve said, “nonsense”). You did not even search it on Wikipedia.
I briefly want to come back here, as it had me thinking.. what if after 3K, Jurchens, Khitans and Chinese eventually get proper campaigns with their own bookmark given a separate China bookmark already exists in the game files?
Mountain Royals and Lords of the West showed that they eventually try to add campaigns to pre-Forgotten civs that previously only had a Historic Battle at best in case of Brits and Persians. I’m specifically not counting Lithuanians there.
So my optimistic assumption is, just like the new V&V mission, Jurchens, Chinese and Khitans get their own campaigns for existing owners of the 3K DLC. We have track record of them adding post launch content for DLC owners, especially in AoE 3 where they added additional random maps in the African Royals DLC (maps are paywalled in AoE 3, unlike AoE 2 where they come as part of regular updates).
I dont know… isnt hiring VA expensive? I remember a series from the guy behind one of the DotD campaign and he said it has a limit on how many words you can put in dialogue. Will WE expend so much just to give “free” content to players?
Tbh I think that may have to do with gameplay reasons
If you are paying attention to dialogue you cant micro too well, and long slides have gathered criticism in the past
They may still be cutting corners (look at V&V) but a limit to lines doesnt seem odd
I mean, not during the game, but the intro and outro also.
It is somewhere in the six videos playlist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYl1ACetSMo&list=PLS96-b-SOGyc_v0Jowu1TNJYItc-ExfVZ
That’s too optimistic. A campaign is a lot of work, and it’s not the same to add one scenario for free, compared to fifteen, they won’t do that for free and most likely they can’t justify such an investment in the first place. And the Briton and Persian campaigns were packaged with their DLCs on day one.
As a Chinese player, I don’t think this is a good idea. It easily gives the impression that World Edge only cares about making money without considering the players’ feelings. If the Three Kingdoms can be included in ranked games, I suggest that Sparta and Athens should also be added. Moreover, the DLC should be made more complete — you could also add civilizations like the Tanguts, Tibetans, and the Tang Dynasty. Additionally, today’s “Chinese” civilization could be changed to represent the Song Dynasty, for example as “Chinese (Song)” and “Chinese (Tang)”, so that it wouldn’t feel abrupt or out of place.
I’d happily hand mine over for the civs once completed (with some touch-ups). Just to try and fix this mess in the cleanest way possible.
Plus the recognition for the work would be nice 
A campaign only dlc for all 5 east asian civis will be something good to have.
I’m starting to understand what they are doing. It looks like the lack of campaigns for Khitans and Jurchens is not a mistake but rather a parte of a plan.
By including those civs, as many of you pointed out, they added value to a DLC that thousands of people would not buy otherwise.
By NOT giving those civs their campaigns they sort of messed with people feelings (which marketing is all about) and now players are eager for a DLC with campaigns for Khits and Jurs. We’re already telling them that.
This way, the very release of the 3K DLC is a marketing tool for a future DLC.
I can perfectly see an expansion with campaigns in that region plus a Mongol (easily a top 5 civ in popularity) rework. Maybe even a Khitans split to spice things up.
Reworks became a content marketing tool (replacing Events which coincidentally disappeared without a trace), helping create hype in the weeks before the DLC, as we have seen with the last two - Persians in 2023, Chinese and Koreans now.
PS: I just don’t see it happening in the near future (hot take: they will go Romans next) but I would be shocked if they don’t do that .
Well, in my case I was eager for a campaign for those civs before they were released or even announced, and after this debacle of a dlc I’m just considering never to return to AoE2 again, so good marketing I guess.
That being said, I’m probably not representative of the community.
But I’m also saying I am not interested in it until the Three Kingdom civs get banished from ranked. And I have seen more comments that align with “get these three out of ranked” than people who want Khitan/Jurchens campaigns. Great plan whoever decided that…
Ongoing negative feeling in this forum towards the game is something they clearly don’t factor in when thinking “what to do next”. I mean, look at V&V… Fixes took 6 months; a single one new scenario, a year. In my opinion, this behavior is their core mistake in these recent fiascos.
But they look comfortable slow cooking this civ/campaign dynamic. They’re not ignoring people entirely, just shifting focus.
This. The community they want is the masses.
You know what, I went and took a look at other negative DLC receptions. Aka, I checked out the reviews.
They never responded to them before. Like, at all. This certainly feels like a different response, and I hope it means they are taking feedback on-board. PROPERLY this time…
A place people visit holding their credit cards.
Maybe that is the real battlefield.
You see they didn’t screw up, they intentionally made it bad so people would be interested in paying more for a fix later. 9.5/10 in the mental gymnastics.
They screw up stuff we value but my post is clearly not about this. It is about money - their goal - and I’m pretty sure they are getting it like never before - though I believe this milk the hell out of the cow approach is unsustainable.
Just to be clear, since it may look otherwise: I’m not defending shit. This game is going downhill since ROR