Hey Guy’s, I think the Saracens are due for a buff! Anyone else agree? I feel like they can’t compete with all the newer civs that have been added since HD. I mean they’re an original team, they shouldn’t be struggling with all the newest civs, that’s not fair.
I think a solution that could really help would be to make Mameluke’s more affordable. They’re really too expensive, and hard to mass in 1v1. Why does every other civ get a UU they can afford, but not Saracens? I think that would really help balance the team out because Mameluke’s are really good.
I agree. Mamelukes are strong but expensive, hard to mass and fragile against many units. Even a small buff like increasing the creation speed for camels and mamelukes would help them. Also, the frame delay for mamelukes is too slow.
Saracens are fine, Mamelukes are hard to buff with zealotry making them very tanky for
a fast ranged unit. And ranked map pool atleast has two maps with lots of gold so its definitely possible to mass them in 1v1.
Saracens are also very versatile with their tech tree; full blacksmith, FU monks, FU archery range (Saracen and Japanese being the only two), Hussars, 170HP camels, champions, siege ram, siege onager and bombard cannon. The only holes are lack of halbs and cavalier/paladin, which is fine because camels and monks negate the need of halbs and unlike Indians, Saracens can still go knights in castle age
The frame delay is buffed for Elite Mameluke in DE (from 5 to 2 by HD measures) which is lower than arbs and mangudai, sure its not zero of the original but its still very good.
i think the problem with Saracens is they feel generic across the board basically. at least they do to me. i mean i’m not going to be sad if i random into Saracens, but i’m not going to be excited either.
That’s funny I forgot about the unique elephant units. They’re expensive too, but the Mameluke is still more expensive in gold than any UU. I don’t play as civs who have elephants so I can’t speak for them, I can only speak about the price of the Mameluke which feels too high. If you look at a Ballistic Elephant they cost 100f 80g, that’s 45 more food, and 5 less gold than a Mameluke, for a unit with more than tipple the amount of HP.