Saracens should receive an identity and bonus for their scout line

Age of Empires II: DE II - Discussion
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Isn’t it strange that the Saracens doesn’t have any thing or any bonus for their scout line that could represent their identity as a very famous swift and strong light cav in history?

Early Saracens/Muslims expansion were really famous for their strong and swift light cavalry especially with the unique and special Arabian horse breed. It was one of the strongest (if not the strongest) and most important military advantages.

Their light cavs played a major role in their conquests and was one of the main reasons to win many battles against both the Persians (Sasanian) and Romans (Byzantines) armies and other nations.

In light of what has been mentioned, I think they should get bonus for their scout line that represent their unique and strong light cavs and even their infantry line also was so strong.

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Saracens are in a good place. no point in messing with them for “historical accuracy”

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Aten’t they the worst performing civ on the ladder or at least really close to?
Is that a good place for them?

Though I don’t know if I would go that direction for them. they already can do basically everything. Just not so good if you don’t exploit their market bonus.

One more umbrella that could receive a split. Though admittedly one more of these complicated ones unfortunately.

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if they need an adjustment it should be by buffing existing bonuses, not introducing something completely new like that.

They are weak on the ladder, but at the top level their win rate is really close to 50%, so I don’t see the need for a change.

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Splitting wont fix the issue if they need buffs.Adding more and more things just complicates things.

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Indeed they have a big potential for a split. However, I personally don’t want currently any new split DLC even though I support Saracens split but maybe later in the future we could receive one.

If need new DLC should be new African civs one.

As for the current situation for Saracens, I really think that they should receive bonus for their scout line that represent the strong famous historically light cavs mobility. They actually should have been from AOK the light cavs civ more than anyone else.

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The only scout bonus I could see is Camel scouts and them getting the HP bonus starting Feudal if it becomes starting scout. Although 20% is pretty significant even for a unit that doesn’t do much if the target isn’t a cavalry unit

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The topic is about the scout line and improving their identity as a famous light cav with the unique Arabian horse breed. Nothing to do with camels or other buffs for Saracens in general.

It would fit them very well and will be historically accurate to have something for their light cavs.

It is actually strange how the devs didn’t look for such a thing since more than 20 years ago.

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Yrs, Saracens is the perfect candidate for a Unique Light Cav upgrade that doesn’t nerf the 0.05 speed.

Those who don’t know, Light Cavalry lose 0.05 speed compared to Scout Cavalry. Saracens could keep the speed even after the upgrade.

Or since Saracens is struggling in ranked, maybe they can get free Husbandry.

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The current Saracen team bonus gives foot archers +2 against buildings. What if it’s changed to giving scout cavalry line +2 against buildings?

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I give you a hind:

It’s in dhi hands of the devs.

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I think they have +3 against buildings not +2 I am not sure.

But if you want my opinion I don’t like for any ranged units to have damage bonus against buildings, it is really broken concept. Mayans before got +6 damage as a UT and was broken as hell. But even Saracens +2 or +3 is also strong.

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That is just weaker Hindustanis.

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Right, forgot about them.

Maybe just swap the team bonus between Saracens and Hindustanis?

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It’s +3 attack. Which usually means +2 damage.

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