Yes, he was a beautiful madman… he fought in WW2 against the Germans with a longbow at long range and a sword at close range from the Battle of Dunkirk in 1940. Then the Germans captured him in Yugoslavia leading some commandos and partisans in August 1944 and he was imprisoned in a concentration camp and when he was rescued by the British in April 1945 with the end of the war in Europe, they sent him to Burma in August 1945 and when he arrived, they told him that the war had also ended in Asia because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and he hit the ground with his hand shouting “If it weren’t for those damned Yankees, we could have continued this war for another ten years!”
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I’m sorry to give you the bad news, but archaeological evidence shows that far fewer Normans arrived in Sicily than people on forums or Reddit think.
They were the ruling class, which is why their name went down in history, but they did not supplant the resident population in any way.
That’s what I’m saying. Apart from architecture, the Sicilian civ is almost entirely Norman-based. They should rework them into Normans and make a proper Sicilian civ that takes from other periods of the island instead of just the Norman rule.
No? Sicily was sparsely populated, and the Norman kings had to continually hire warriors (especially archers and siege engineers) from North Africa to continue their expansion in southern Italy. Furthermore, the Sicilian language developed rather quickly at the imperial court.
If you tell me that some adjustments could be made, such as having the Archers speak Arabic, the Infantry speak Late Latin, and the Cavalry speak Sicilian, I absolutely agree.
This isn’t reflected in the game at all. Apart from the use of Sicilian language and Mediterranean architecture (and arguably the food bonus which might reflect Muslim agricultural innovations), they are just Normans, use Norman AI player names, have Norman UU and special building, and so on.
Ideally I’d make a new Sicilian civ from scratch, with Byzantine strategoi and Muslim emirs added to the ruler list, Greek and Saracen UT names and influence in warfare (Siqilian Archer as a UU). The current Sicilian gameplay and UT names would be given to the Norman civ.
Because Sicily before the arrival of the Normans is irrelevant. Sparsely populated, even the Arab occupiers were nomads who did not build a single thing (in fact, there are no archaeological remains from the two centuries of Arab occupation).
So you would like to represent Sicily between the eighth and tenth centuries. Why? I would also point out that the Byzantines and Saracens are already in the game, and it’s not as if they got along well before the Normans arrived. There was no Sicilian identity before the Normans.
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Because I like Normans and would like them to be their own thing, and the current “Sicilian” civ has gameplay that would suit Normans.
I’m not a Sicilian so I have no idea whether you’re correct or offensive. But even during the Norman rule of Sicily, the island was famous for blending Norman, Muslim, and Greek cultures. If we are to have a Sicilian civ, it should take inspiration from more than just the Norman period. (I’m not saying to completely remove Norman elements, that’d be dumb.)
Would you like a civilisation that represented Normandy from the 10th to the 13th century, basically? Probably having the Britons with the three golden lions already made the developers give up.
Tbf the issue with Scily is exactly that, its easy to know why the people there are unique, but it mostly served as a pawn for the mediterranean conflict beetwen Arabs, French, Byzantines, Swabians, and Spanish… And their military and economy showed that more than a local identity
After some more thinking about this, my opinion is they should keep Vikings (maybe change the name to Norse), and then add Swedes and Danes but make these civs focused on the later Christian period instead of the viking age.
This would be fine since there are already both Romans and Italians, for example. Each represents the same region during different time periods.
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Yes I would like this. The Vikings for the raids on Europe and the Vinland saga and Sweden for the crusades in the Baltics for example. A lot of stories that can be told this way.
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Honestly, despite the problems with V&V, I think the Karlsefni scenerio was a perfect way to represent the Vinlandsaga, I don’t think a full campaign is necessary and i’d rather see Scandinavian campaigns focus elsewhere.
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Yes, and with the Danes, the Kalmar Union…
harald hardrada would be perfect for a norwegian campaign, it would have a lot of different settings between scandinavia, rus and the mediterranean
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Yes, I was thinking of a Hardrada campaign from 1030 to 1066…
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You must be pretty happy now!
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still unhappy and disappointed
We should have got Finns(as discussed above) in this upcoming DLC instead of Saxons
I am not saying Saxons are a bad choice. They are nice to have but Finns who are neither Vikings nor Scandinavian should be implemented into DLC as a distinct Finno-Ugric nation.
I really hope they would not miss next oppurtinity
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I think that just as the Chinese DLC attempted to cater to the fanbase of The Romance of Three Kingdoms, the Viking DLC is an attempt to cater to the fanbase of the Vikings TV show. That show was focused primarily on Norse and Anglo-Saxons (and Franks in some seasons), with Finns and Native Americans featuring only as cameos. I don’t remember honestly if it ever had any Celts.
(Note that I’m talking about the main TV show that focused on Ragnar and his sons, I haven’t watched the spin-off yet, so dunno if it touches upon other groups that Vikings interacted with but were omitted from the first show)
Oh God if that’s true, I’d prefer they base it on The Last Kingdom series XD Although it have its inaccuracies like any show, I really enjoyed it, especially because of Alfred.
Hmm… that makes me wonder how many historical shows and movies are out there, and which ones everyone here is most familiar with. Maybe I’ll start a thread about it in Off-Topic; since it’s an international forum, I imagine there will be plenty of great suggestions.
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They wont get added,this was the dlc they might have got added.