Yes I still deny teutonic order was never in Israel. It was limited to East Europe crusade only.
Okay then we will leave it at that. I have a different opinion than you to this case and my opinion will also not change.
Opinions do not work in recorded history.
The issue is, that your opinion is not recorded in fact, mine is recorded. Apparently you are unable to read pictures with names.
And further, you are contentious. One should avoid discussions with you.
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LoL mine is not an opinion yours is an opinion. You think because Teutons were a crusader they need to be in Israel which is not true.
I write down facts, you slander true history, that is really disgusting. The fact that you have to ridicule my sentences, shows your opinionatedness and lack of objectivity.
I think not like you, I know it. Anyone who knows history knows that the Crusaders were in Israel. You just continue to make a fool of themselves.
You two seriously need to know when to just drop it for move it to DMs. If one of you says “we should stop arguing” then break the temptation to keep posting, otherwise you’re just digging a deeper hole and bringing the whole thread under risk of moderator intervention.
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Here it says they were literally funded in Acre, Israel, and that remained one of their headquarters till 1300 so case closed I guess.
Spoiler: it was not that hard to verify.
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You are always insufferable.
I always supported the inclusion of Georgians and Armenians.
After all, you can clearly see that Teutons civ is based on the Teutonic Order. Change the names of the AI rulers and the description and then you are ready - the only changes would be textual + icon of the Teutons civ (however, you can paste the current icon into a black cross with a gold border on a white background - because it was the coat of arms of the Teutonic state).
And defining Teutons civ as civ covering all Germans is highly conventional, but not true. That’s why we don’t need a civ based on the Teutonic Order because we already have it - and it’s excellent at it (but it is hopeless to represent medieval Germany).
This map shows the castles of the Teutonic Order and the Livonian Order and their states. And the fact that you ignore the commonly known historical fact that the Teutonic Knights participated in the Crusades is beyond words.
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Yes If you look at the campaign map of the Teutons at the game, the Teutons are already the Teutonic Order because the scenario way goes from todays Germany to the far Holy Land todays Israel.
But Germany without Brandenburg respectively the Teutonic Order could also be portrayed as a second German civ but then with a new campaign and a new name like the Holy Roman Empire or Franconians most likely. That is why I brought this suggestion into the discussion.
The difficulties between the terms of Teutons and the Teutonic Order can sometimes get really out of hand. But even the campaign pictures clearly show, that the Crusaders were in the Orient. Thank you to the devs for this facts.
Below you can see a graphic of the Franconian Empire in the early Middle Ages to get back to your other initial topic 
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I thought you didn’t think the Armenians were big enough to be in the game. I must’ve confused you with someone else. Sorry about that. Have a good day.
Yes they were and others have given you sources on that,You cant disprove history.
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What does any of this conversation have to do with anything about designing a game other than historic stuff that matters was less than making a good FUN game
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In AoK they were half European, half Asian… in AoE 3 they were all European…
Actually it was because MS asked them to make Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds for the prequel trilogy (2001-2002), then in 2002 Age of Mythology came out (2002-2003), in 2004 they cut Italy, Sweden and the European theater of AoE 3 and in 2005 AoE 3 came out…AoE 3 “failed” because many skipped AoM, the home city system was not very popular (that’s why it was corrected in 3 DE) and also because the colonial era is not as popular as the medieval era…
At this rate it seems that they will only put it as a civ variant of AoE 4…
Near Orient…
The Teutonic Order is a Catholic religious institution founded as a military society c. 1190 in Acre, Kingdom of Jerusalem. The Order of Brothers of the German House of Saint Mary in Jerusalem was formed to aid Christians on their pilgrimages to the Holy Land and to establish hospitals. Its members have commonly been known as the Teutonic Knights , having historically served as a crusading military order for supporting Catholic rule in the Holy Land and the forced conversion to Catholicism in the Baltics during the Middle Ages, as well as providing military protection for Catholics in Eastern Europe.
Could it be because it is a historical game?..
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I don’t think AoE3’s failure is the setting as much as it is the gameplay.
- AoE2 maps are bigger, making the battle really feel big. AoE3 is just a skirmish by comparison.
- AoE2 bases take longer to build, making the player really care about their base.
For the Germans, we already have Goths & Teutons.
Why are people discussing adding the Teutonic Order in AoE2 when we have… the Teutons.
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Yes, the mediocre success of Age of Empire 3 is also due to the not so good gameplay.
You are just the right person, to criticize this proposal because you keep mentioning proposals for new separate civs of Croats and Serbs and they are no more unique than the Teutons and the Teutonic Order. We do not need a distinction between Croats and Serbs, that because they represent a fundamental unity both linguistically and culturally. Take one term for this, the Sclaveni respectively the Yugoslavs.
The difference is significantly greater in the comperhasion between to the also Slavic tribes the Poles and the Bohemians and here was it justified, that the devs adding both civs to the game.
Well this is not so true, yes linguistically they are same, but already culturally you have differences, for example
Serbs are orthodox and influenced by the Constantinople, ingame they as well as few other civs could get a new Byzantine set, or if not the would have Eastern European set
Croats are catholic and therefor influenced by the Vatican, ingame they would have Mediterranean set
Serbs would be cavalry civ, Croats would be Marine civ etc
So im strongly against putting them as one civ.
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The exact same applies to the Teutonic Order, they have the same small differences to the Teutons, so they could also be added to the game, but they are already in the game…
For the reasons mentioned, I am massively against bringing Croats and Serbs separated into the game, one civ for that is enough.
Teutonic order is not a civilization or people/cultural group.