According to the history section hun empires were gone before 500 and Vandals mid 600s so…
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Then it’s a good thing we don’t learn history from video games.
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Clearly this topic proves that we have a consensus (59%, more than half), that is that the next DLC should not be Europeans, especially these Balkan civs.
It doesn’t matter at all, because here we just need to know that people who want them cannot even get more than half in such of topic. We don’t have a consensus on what the next DLC should be, but we have a consensus on what the next DLC shouldn’t be.
If you want to know what people want if they don’t want these, you can start another topic and investigate. This topic cannot prove the problem clealy, but oversimplifying and interpreting the data like Nebular did proves nothing.
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Clearly that’s not how one would objectively interpret the data. Because the remaining 59% of players do not want the same thing for themselves.
Let’s say 20% want Africa, 20% want America, another 19% want Asia. And 41% spoke not only for the Europeans in general (where the score might be higher), but for the specific: Slavs rework, Croats, Serbs and Romanians.
If the other examples had specific civs as well, say Uzbekistan and Afghanistan, you may see even lower than 19% for Asia.
That’s just flawed, because people who do not want them do not have to pick between multiple other specific civilizations. It’s very hard to reach over 50% when you have multiple options, and there are multiple civs from 5 continents to pick from. So 41% for such a question is actually a huge result. Your comparison is the false equivalence fallacy.
Empire falling and the people disappearing are two different things.Huns even fought with Belisarius against the vandals.
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Putting aside the fact that you force people to make a specific choice, you can’t say that out of 59%, 20% choose A and the other 20% choose B. You overinterpret the data. The data provided on this topic is that 59% of people said no, and to be honest you shouldn’t read any further.
Then again, your assumption is that people naturally only have one choice. The only options in this survey are whether to want these civilizations or not. Again, you can’t read much more into that.
Even though there are only single choices on your form, people’s preferences are not. This is why I emphasized that the 10% of people who are assumed want Americans may not necessarily say no to Africans. Even the 41% who say yes to Balkans may not necessarily say no to other regions. If you use the same format to survey other regions, such as the Americas, East Asia, or Africa, they might add up to greater than 59%. They might even exceed 41% each.
If you want to understand in terms of something like A% Americans, B% Africans, C% Asians, D% Europeans, then you should create a separate topic and explicitly make each region an option. Strictly speaking, if it weren’t for this kind of survey, you wouldn’t be able to draw the conclusions you have now.
What I did in that reply was not a comparison at all. It is literally the result of the survey. There is no comparison so there is no fallacy as you mentioned.
If more than half of the people say yes, you’d say Balkans is the consensus.
But less than half of the people said yes, you still say Balkans is the consensus.
As long as you are happy.
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I usually call them “Wallachians”. I used the modern name because it was already being used in the thread.
This is all useless anyway, I don’t think we’ll ever get to a consensus.
Who ever said anything about hating Europe? We just don’t want even more Europe in a game that is already almost half Europe, at least not for the time being for some people.
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That IS why we are gettin a new dlc in less than a month that 99% sure is about East Asia totally. And after that it is right the time to return to slavs who are not really Europe even in worlds minds.
Crazy. This is an unfounded accusation against me.
My opinion is based on my disagreement with the way you understood this survey and the conclusions you reached. I completely disagree that 41% which is without a majority can be interpreted as success for this survey. On the other hand, based on objective observation, the community does desire and deserve civilizations from elsewhere, mostly Asia and Africa, more than Europe.
I have my own opinions about what’s going on in the real world, but I won’t let those opinions influence my judgment of the game, and I firmly disagree that those things influence our judgment of the game. There are bad Russians and good Russians in the real world, and there are also good Ukrainians and there are bad Ukrainians in the real world, but in any case these have nothing to do with the game or my thoughts on the game. I have no particular personal thoughts, let alone hatred, about real-world Slav peoples.
This survey only has 2 options, yes and no. There is no so-called “more than 2 candidates”. This is where your problem is on.
With this survey alone, you simply cannot claim that 41% is victory. I have repeated this many times.
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Once again. You getting China, Japan and Korea campaigns announce on Feb 23. Why you not happy?
Also slavs are NOT Europa culturally. That is why I am so for it. Totally different from Franks, Germans and stuff.
I already answered on that. The rest 59% all want different things, not one. We have slavs on one side of the scale, and ALL THE REST - on the other.
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We didn’t get shit. Not yet at least. Until we get an official announcement I’m not holding out my breath for anything. Since the release of DE we got two DLCs about Europe back to back (Lords of the West and Dawn of the Dukes). We then got Dynasties of India but right after that we got Romans (which nobody would say aren’t Europeans) in Return of Rome and Caucasus (which is part of Europe depending on who you ask) in the Mountain Royals. I just want more DLCs that aren’t Europe or “I guess you can call this Europe maybe?” back to back since the devs are clearly happy to do it for Europe content.
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Name me whom really do you personally want?
Like America? Or Asia? Or Africa?
We already had 2 non-European DLCs in a row. Dynasties of India and Royal Mountains.
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You’re forgetting Return of Rome.
I also said “I don’t want this game that is already almost half Europe to be even more Europe”
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Asia is coming soon.
I like Africa too, but there is a BIG problem there with them not recording their history. Even Judith’s story had to be made up 70 percent. I really want Africa, I just don’t understand how to do it and what kind of great Wakanda you want to find there. There were only a few civilizations with a fairly mediocre level.
America - no metals, no horses, no elephants, no ships, no siege engines. There are only archers and priests. To add them to the game, we had to twist almost everything about them. I LOVE Montesuma and Pachacuti campaigns, but even that had to be made up and the plot stretched out. They didn’t write anything down there either. Where will you get 3 more full stories?
At least if they listened to the community with Return of Rome.
The devs tried to pull a “special” and when the people were debating between option 1 and option 2 they offered option 3 that nobody wanted. Leaving nobody satisfied, not the people who wanted Europe, not the people who wanted outside of Europe.
So yes, I forgot about Return of Rome, but it is no wonder that I forgot about Return of Rome.
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