Slavs have redemption monks with block printing and extra armor. They also have fully upgraded Hussars. If you lost all your Onagers to BBC then it’s on you for not countering them properly.
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By this logic Celt Siege is just as bad since just like Slav SO, Celts ones are 2 shot by BBC. Same would apply to Mongols too. And I’ve never seen anyone claim any of these (or even Slav) have bad siege. What was the unanimous reaction when people learnt that Bulgarian would have the exact same siege tree? “Oh, this civ has good siege!” And yet Bulgarian have 0 bonus that help said siege.
You be Huns or Magyar and I will be any generic civ that gets Heavy camel and lets 1v1 with only cav units.
It’s so common for a civ to lack techs affecting their “specialty” units.
Your siege would be quite mediocre. Not the worse but not the kind that makes you think it’s your civ’s strong point. Also Persian swordsmen, defenses and Monks are horrendous.
And that’s why now Chinese no longer have Redemption, so that their late-game army becomes onager bait.
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Like the celts, eh? :}
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Funnily, Chinese, Aztecs nor Huns appear on this list. Some of the top civs.
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I wish there was stats for DE, I want to see if chinese shine anywhere else than at the highest tier level. If not, then it’s ok imo, since it means the civ is hard to master and hard to master should come with rewards. Otherwise, what’s the point lol.
Edit: seems like you already got answered so much here I’ve decided not to continue on anymore.
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Okay so Slavs have redemption to deal with BBC. What about Celts then? How is Celts supposed to deal with them? A siege civ that will lose to 20 civs that get BBC.
+15% Siege Attack Rate
+20% Siege Workshop work speed
+40% Siege HP from Furor Celtica
Woad Raiders with 1.38 movement speed
Celts have a lot of options to deal with BBCs, and have all round better Siege than most civs that have BBC.
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Wood raiders are an insanely good counter to bbc. Fast to get massed, fast movement, quite high melee attack. Even Halbedier would do the job. At the point where your opponent has multiple bbcs there should be a lot of armee around, just use whatever works. If you’re up against archers, bbcs and castles just go siege ram. If you have enough, bbcs dont counter them anymore. The latter applies to Slavs too, of course. It’s always about having the proper unit compositions. Siege and castles isnt a good one.
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Woads, bad hussars but still hussars, besides siege onagers can take a BBC shot and kill the BBC back. Celt SO especially has 98 HP so even if it had prior damage it can take on the bombard. Besides Celts can train SO faster than anyone else, so reinforcement are easier.
If that ain’t enough 378 HP garrisoned siege rams will wipe the floor with multiple bombards
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