I’m not speaking for everyone, I just speak for the majority.
Very few people like water in AoE2 how it is now.
And if water would be reworked that doesn’t mean that all those people would prefer the old way over the new way either.
It is really strange that a suicide ship is currently supposed to be part of the rock paper scissors.
The maritime part of AoE2DE has always been a little worse than the land part. The fault is the absence of mechanics present on land. This suggestion partly solves this problem. I like.
If I was making it again, I’d probably rework the scout ship and boarding ships (which I could do, but can’t be bothered). In testing, the base triangle of Fire Ship, Monoreme line (Galleys basically), and Hemiolias (anti-fires) seems to work really well, with demolition ships in there too. The juggernauts (hybrid mangonels/cannon galleons) are good, Quadriremes might not be entirely necessary, but they’re historically fitting, and the Octeres (super long range siege) works well for people to finish off games. It’s really just the scout ship and boarding ship lines that haven’t been super helpful. If anyone wants to actually see the Rome at War water system in action at the pro level (bear in mind that this is basically the first time either of them had ever played it, but it’s still very interesting):
(Or a casted English version of the game):
it’s already in the game
probably useless as it can’t attack any buildings other than docks. also the boarding animation would look extremely janky if the target moves away
how do you know that? evidence?
Play rate of water maps.
Amount of people complaining about how not fun water is.
Where is your evidence for the large amount of people that supposedly enjoy the current water gameplay?
Just because you seem to like water in AoE2 doesn’t mean that applies to the majority.
I probably have more fun playing on water then most other people since I think it’s still entertaining despite all the issues.
Or are you just one of those who just generally oppose any significant change to the game?
pure water maps? yes
hybrid maps? no. 4 lakes, nomad are among the most popular maps in the game
people complaining will always be louder than those who are fine with it/don’t care
i never made that claim. you are claiming that you are speaking for the majority, so you need to provide evidence
I don’t think a 20 year old game should completely revolutionize parts of its gameplay. I bought this game and want to keep playing it without it being changed to something unrecognizable.
being able to build walls on water sounds horrible. completely removing iconic units (like galleys in your suggestion!!) is not acceptable (and looking at previous changes is thankfully not going to happen, because the devs understand this)
4 Lakes has well the name says it 4 lakes.
So naval supremacy can’t snowball since you gotta do that for all 4 lakes.
Nomad is a very uniquely different game experience in many ways so I don’t think that’s a good example.
Neither of us know how many people are like this nor do either of us know if those people would start caring if it changed nor if they would be in favour or against it.
So it’s better to argue with how the game is now and how it could or should be improved and not about how many people would be behind the change.
Games you buy change all the time. It’s in the nature of games.
We are not 25 years ago where someone pressed them on a CD and that was how the game was, forever.
And “unrecognisable” is a little extreme. Even if the game would be patched to be AoE4 it would be still very recognizably be an Age of Empires.
I don’t want to remove the Galley.
I was just throwing ideas in the room.
with fixes of actually broken stuff or small tweaks that’s acceptable. complete overhauls are not
I would want my money back
Not sure in what world you live in but many popular games are constantly being overhauled if you like it or not.
Gaming would be very boring if bad systems could never be changed in any game because there are some people that don’t like it.
If a game shuts it’s server down 2 years after release you don’t get the money back either.
I know that is an extreme example but it would not be “unrecognisable”.
The Boarding ships are cheap. Since they are easier to be spawned, the opponents may not able to counter them only with the Archer ships when the Boarding ships already have a numerical advantage, and they need some Demolition ships for help at the point. It can be seen that the Boarding ships focus on naval battiles rather than shore control. Use Archer ships or Springald ships for the shore control.
And the Boarding ships replace transport ships too, by the way.