# Sudanese Dervish vs Eagle Runner Knights **URL:** \ **Category:** III - Discussion\ **Created:** [August 23, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155 "2021-08-23T22:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ColtWolf1318](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/coltwolf1318/32/88100_2.png) [@ColtWolf1318](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ColtWolf1318)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155/1 "2021-08-23T22:03:43Z")
Hi all, I dont understand the damage output for this fight. The Dervish deals 21 damage per range shot. But why?? ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/2/0/20dcfd5288f92915ce4bba65734b1930c78b23e2.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![EaglemutOP](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/eaglemutop/32/29206_2.png) [@EaglemutOP](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/EaglemutOP)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155/2 "2021-08-23T22:15:51Z")
Hi, it is because all units with a multiplier vs Light Ranged Cavalry also have a matching hidden multiplier vs Eagle Runner Knight specifically (Eagle Runner Knight acts as the Aztec equivalent of Light Ranged Cavalry units). ---
**Author:** ![ColtWolf1318](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/coltwolf1318/32/88100_2.png) [@ColtWolf1318](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ColtWolf1318)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155/3 "2021-08-23T22:18:38Z")
It still doesnt work then… If I take that multiplier for the light range cav then the dervish should deal 28 damage minus the 30% Range resist of the ERK which is 19,6. So why 21 then??? ---
**Author:** ![EaglemutOP](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/eaglemutop/32/29206_2.png) [@EaglemutOP](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/EaglemutOP)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155/4 "2021-08-23T22:29:28Z")
Dervish deals melee damage as indicated by the sword. Range resist does not affect it. You also forgot to apply the 0.75x vs Shock Infantry. 14 x 2 x 0.75 = 21 ---
**Author:** ![ColtWolf1318](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/coltwolf1318/32/88100_2.png) [@ColtWolf1318](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ColtWolf1318)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155/5 "2021-08-23T22:37:07Z")
Dervish deals melee damage when shooting from range 14? The whole African civs get more and more confusing to me… Are you aware of any other unit that shoots from distance but deals “melee” damage then… ---
**Author:** ![EaglemutOP](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/eaglemutop/32/29206_2.png) [@EaglemutOP](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/EaglemutOP)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155/6 "2021-08-23T22:58:26Z")
Only other unit I remember acting this way is native rescued Tomahawk. ---
**Author:** ![AquilesHeroe](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/aquilesheroe/32/207643_2.png) [@AquilesHeroe](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/AquilesHeroe)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155/7 "2021-08-24T05:39:32Z")
so now eagle runner are heavy infatery too? because i checked months ago and cannons had no bonnus versus eagle runners. ---
**Author:** ![Ekdal1378](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ekdal1378/32/34504_2.png) [@Ekdal1378](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Ekdal1378)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155/8 "2021-08-24T07:02:48Z")
@raulramirez91 No they arent. Canons kill them doubt to the small space between ERKs and their less HP compared to cavalry. ERKs are shock infantry and light cavalry for bonus purpouses. They are affected by (range) cavalry team cards and the sweden one for range too. They arent infantry neither, lancers dont get bonus vs them ---
**Author:** ![AquilesHeroe](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/aquilesheroe/32/207643_2.png) [@AquilesHeroe](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/AquilesHeroe)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155/9 "2021-08-24T07:05:03Z")
so i use dragons to kil them and cannons and skirmish? ---
**Author:** ![Ekdal1378](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ekdal1378/32/34504_2.png) [@Ekdal1378](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Ekdal1378)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155/10 "2021-08-24T07:25:09Z")
@raulramirez91 Infanteria pesada cuerpo a cuerpo y guerrilleros. El resto de unidades no tienen bonus contra ellos. Tambien puedes usar cañones por su reducido espacio entre unidades y bajos HP, pero no tienen bonus, pues no son infantería (el simbolo rojo) Los dragones solo tienen bonus contra caballeria pesada como los husares, no contra otra caballería ligera. Lo de las cartas de caballería es porque afectan a ambos tipos de caballería, pero una de ellas (la alemana creo) solo afecta a la caballeria pesado, por lo que no beneficia a los aguila. ---
**Author:** ![AquilesHeroe](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/aquilesheroe/32/207643_2.png) [@AquilesHeroe](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/AquilesHeroe)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155/11 "2021-08-24T07:50:11Z")
pero ellos son ifnateria de choque y el dragon si tiene bonus contra choque ---
**Author:** ![Ekdal1378](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ekdal1378/32/34504_2.png) [@Ekdal1378](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Ekdal1378)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155/12 "2021-08-24T08:14:27Z")
@raulramirez91 No, solo contra infanteria de choque cuerpo a cuerpo, coyotes y chimues. Tienes que ver a los corredores como verdadera caballeria, coyotes son pesada y los aguilas son ligera. Fíjate mejor en los bonus de caballería que son menos confusos. ---
**Author:** ![anon18935754](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b782af/32.png) [@anon18935754](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/anon18935754)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sudanese-dervish-vs-eagle-runner-knights/166155/13 "2021-08-24T12:14:15Z")
its worth mentioning that the french home city card “ranged infantry attack” affects them, but yes they are not infantry or heavy infantry, just a weird dragoon unit