the franks/mayans/britons stacking stuff only ruined the game after they started letting people choose whether they spawn in front or back
if they remove that silly setting and return random map to being skill-based instead of cheese-based, then those civs are closer to fine for teamgames
xbow is still too cheap in general and the early game would still be 1-dimensional, but without the cheese settings letting mayans/britons force forward spawns and just make 50 of the same unit from feudal age buildings the games used to last long enough for other civs to be able to use their bonuses
But doing that will hurt a large amount of the playerbase that likes to pick civs and positions, and furthermore you push out a good amount of MP players.
Even if you look back at Voobly Franks and Mayans were even stronger here (donât know if that also included TGs, since the aoestats.io page only showed 1v1 at the time), so if you remove civ and position picking well those civs still reign over all others if are gotten at random.
yeah I think left the mounted bonus damage as is, but just remove from armored elephant, they train 25% faster and cost 25% less food with Kshatriyas, more tha enough.
Given the fact that Siege Elephant do not affected by Siege Engineers, I think nerfing their Mounted units deal +15 / +25 / +30% bonus damage in Feudal Age, Castle Age and Imperial Age would be better
15% in feudal = +0.6 bonus damage from camel. So you can just ignore it.
25% in castle = +2.25 bonus damage from camel instead of 4.5. Big nerf.
30% in Imperial = 5.4 bonus damage but without Blast Furnace it is 3.4, same as Malian Heavy Camel. Gurjaras camel doesnât need to be that bad.
You are looking the wrong axis
You are asking to nerf Turks and Hindustanis on Arena
Gurjaras and Hindustanis on TG open maps and Gurjaras and Portuguese on TG closed maps
I really believe that Gurjaras and Hindustanis are on top because both are a perfect counter to the forever OP Franks
I think we may try to make them a somewhat cavalry civ to compensate the arena nerf. Maybe free scout upgrade is replaced with as you proposed, stable techs cost no gold?
Feudal Age = 100 gold from Bloodline
Castle Age = 50 gold from LC upgrade
Imperial Age = 300 gold from cavalier + 360 gold from Heavy Camel Rider + 500 gold from Hussar
Imperial looks too powerful. Maybe just BL and scout upgrades cost no gold will be enough.
Turks actually struggle a bit vs cavalry civs on open maps due to the lack of pikemen, saving heavy camel gold cost means you can tech quickly into that.
What if Hindustani lose access to Elite Skirmisher?, it will force players to rush out Ghulam sooner, because without Ghulam you wonât have an effective answer to archers.
Also I think the Ghulam thrust damage is too high:
