Team elo needs a review ASAP

Hi everyone, first post here. There’s been much discussion on how team Elo works and how it’s deeply flawed to begin with. This strategy of having a 2800 elo player teaming up with a 700 elo player using a smurf account is beyond ridiculous and should never be able to be pulled off. It is also ruining many games for many of us in the community. Last night while playing with a friend (we’re both around 1900/2000 team elo), we got matched with two players using the above strategy to climb up on the ladder. This morning one of them is already ranked on the top 20 team overall, while the other just keeps losing games on the side to keep his score low.

You can always argue that we should/could’ve played better, at the end of the day it’s not like they were technically cheating… but not all of us have either the time or energy to play as much as we’d like to and will never be pros! :slight_smile:

Makes no sense that only the average of all players elos seems to be taken into account, while individual rank and even 1v1 rank is not regarded - even when this is what ultimately defines a player’s skill. One 1800 elo 1v1 player could single handedly defeat 2 or even 3 1100 elo players, for example. Love this game since I can remember and love its community. We do need to make sure it remains as fun and as fair as possible to everyone involved and take steps to minimize this kind of exploit.

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Yeah, there are lots of smurfs who abuse the current system. This issue is already discussed in multiple threads. I prefer to link to my own thread about the ratings in general:

The TG ladder is a mess as result of a previous bug and the fix is abusable by smurfs. As result TG ratings arent really a good estimate of your skill. That is the main issue. If the TG ladder would have worked properly, then looking only for the TG rating make sense. There are also lots of player who dont have a 1v1 rating, so you cant really look at those for balacing team game.

The devs has to fix the TG ratings for good, so looking at the TG rating only is enough.

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how can you say there are lots of smurfs and indeed doubt about my claiming of the smurfs in my games?
I only pointed out few out of my 50 games (not even 10% of my 50 games) and you suspected them not a smurf and now you saying there are lots of smurfs? Really?
What is your standard? ?

I have never denied there are lots of smurf. I even have made my own thread about smurfing in the past at this forum.

Based on your thread i got the feeling that every lower rated player on a team is a smurf. I dont think that is true. So you need to be carefull with accusing someone for being a smurf. In the end i do think you are right in many cases in your thread.

TG elo never meant really anything. Why won’t they get rid of it for good? I think it would be much better for the community.

That behavior isn’t new, in zone and voobly pro players like alive, bact and several others used to do the same and team up with smurfs using new nicks playing 2x2 to boost their ranks up to 2.6k, that was what caused the rank separation(late 2012) and that idea was pushed by viper and l_clan_chris and their idea of having 2 different ladders is still present even here, cause in HD the rank was still the same integrated.

Not a single rank system is going to prevent that behavior, the other viable options are a general reset and a rank translation, lets say if you have certain rank on 1x1 that would be the rank you would get in the team ladder, those with 0 games in 1x1 would start from scratch, i think that could be the best answer and ban those guys who are abusing the system by manipulating and smurfing on purpose.

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That is probably the best way to deal with smurfs… make them play like 5 or 10 games 1v1, then they get rated enough to be thrown into team game calculations.

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Then they just alt F4 5-10 1v1 to pass the test. As result their 1v1 rating is pretty low, so they even start with a lower TG rating. So i dont really think that would be the solution.

alt+f4 = a strike. 3 strikes you get banned for 72 hours. 5 strikes 1 week, 10 strikes account is deleted. Problem solved.

How do you tell the difference between an Alt+F4 (or other destructive act) and a game crash?

a crash could send a file report to the devs showing what went wrong, like Pubg does and many other software out there. it’s takes like a second to send it. Just an idea.

totally! can’t see why a crash report feature wouldn’t be included in future patches.

honestly i’m starting to be of the opinion that team elo should just be removed or downgraded to a sort of hidden stat. 1v1 score should be all that matters for matchmaking purposes.

this would also solve most of the games where lower skilled players get matched with legit (no smurfs) higher skill ones - i’m at around 2100 team elo, which seems to be not that far from average, and i face opponents whose 1v1 elo differ 300 points from mine. it’s a huge skill difference at this level and we all know how that is going to end.

Premade team is what need to be nerfed ASAP. The issue you mentioned will only happen when you are gonna against a premade team.
In your example, I don’t think the player with 1800 elo can beat a premade team with three 1100 elo players. Is there anyway to deal with 2-man drush and 3 sc during the first 5min ?

you should still be able to play with your friends. at the end of the day it’s supposed to be fun, no?

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that doesn’t make much sense man. Even playing with random players you can still attack or get attacked by the whole team at once. just gotta type in chat “attack player #” and if someone is vietnamese even better lol, you’ll have to deal with the scouts before you build your mill.

Premade team can use discord, they usually have better teamwork and less likely to resign early.
I rarely see any communication in the games with lower than 2k elo when I was solo playing

I do not think this is a good idea either. For example I played my last 1v1 game a while ago and I am playing few team games almost every day. So my 1v1 elo no longer represents my level and if they do not take my team game results into account, then matchmaking will not make too much sense. Doing it random would be just same.