The Chinese (in certain matchups) are designed to fail

Age of Mythology: Retold Discussion
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I made it to 1535 Elo with them. However I see some issues in their design.

The pioneers are entirely countered by a turma or a peltast, rendering them close to useless against myth units. Their low HP compared to other civ options doesn’t help either. Uranos is impossible to defeat since China has no dedicated anti infantry unit other than the firearcher, entirely countered by the (unreachable) Turma. Add to that Pioneers have close to no range and can’t reach the Caladria.

The NuWa hero Kuafu loses to an upgraded Minotaur.

The favor generation is too low, most civs can spam myth units AND units at the same time, but Chinese on the other hand NEED the Kuafu to stay competitive on the economics side.

There is no harassment unit for the Chinese, the Yazi (was) decent but has been nerfed, and it should have been but currently it’s underwhelming considering the fact that the Chinese have close to no healing. The Halbediers could be decent but they don’t compare at all to anything any other civ has as an option.

Basically my take on the Chinese is that any semi-competent player can play early aggression against them and control the game from there on out.

Even late game they don’t compare to the Greeks with reusable GodPowers etc.

Wondering what the opinion is by other players on the Chinese atm.?

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As a China player i find the opposite, china feels very strong to play. Theres match ups where you can go 2 tc and spam kuafu and simply be ahead in eco. Others you can not make kuafu and the económic loss is not as much as you would think and instead you invest if classic age MU and preassure.

Quilin spam is still very strong. You should try a wood comp of java and fire archers to deal with the tuma + murmillo match up. Theres also keeping in mind that you Will win late game vs atty. They are the ones that have to preassure you, not the other way around.

The absolutely do wrek late game. If you are comparing it to the temporary power spike that greeks get once full Iron due to forge of Olympus sure, but China will push back when they get theirs.

China had one of if not. The best favor generation on the game. Its free, you dont even need to maximize Building placement to get a decent favor rate going. It was nerfed due to how strong it was and how overwhelming you could spam myth units. And atm at least to me it feels fine. You can keep MU spam if you want to or kuafu. Its good you cant so both and the “sacrifice” for not making kuafu is not that big with the amount of pushing power you get.

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Tried both didn’t work, which Elo do you refer to?

Compared to other civs that’s simply not true imo. Zeus can outproduce you on all levels.

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1600+

Zeus has no advantage vs China from any high elo match thats not high elo difference between players that i have played or seen.

With what you are saying im curious, which match ups do you think favor china?

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Do you play Chinese, then I’d like to watch that replay against Uranos etc as mentioned.

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Yes, i do play China, havent played vs an Oranos after thursday patch, if i play one and dont mess it up ill send it 11. I can show you recs from other high elo players if you would like.

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How about both of you upload a replay.

I don’t play china. I didn’t like them though I’m glad some people do like them. Just wanted to add this:

I find the fact that pioneer couldn’t handle a myth unit kind of odd.

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They struggle vs myth untis that have higher piercer armor. Thats why automatons are good vs no fuxi china. Also rock giant, among others.

Most classic age melee MU beat pioneers on a 1 vs 1 fashion, same as priest, its when you have a decent amount you begin to counter most MU easily.

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China is not weak in any stretch of imagination in early, mid and let alone late game.

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As I’ve said before, China is completely broken. It’s definitely not weak. I’d even say it’s the strongest in the game.