Because it would be a better historical representation and also brings more diversity of content to the game.
I don’t think it’s out of place. It is what he would like for the future of the game.
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Someone proposing a badly designed civ doesn’t invalidate that as a potential civ. There are plenty of actually good ideas for Prussia.
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There are plenty of bugs in the game that need to be fixed first
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It’s that he loves Prussia a lot xd…
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Could you share a link? I want to see their opinions
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It was on discord IRC, so probably lost
Unless it got deleted for some reason it should all still be there, just have to search for it.
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I would like to see a southern African civilization (maybe one of the Shona kingdoms) added to the African Royals DLC, along with some more maps representing the continent’s southern end. As far as new DLC are concerned, I think Oceania is the logical next place. Maybe Maori, Hawaiians, or Fijians as the playable civs while minor civs would include various other cultures from Polynesia, Melanesia, and the Australian mainland?
Thx, maybe it was easy to find with the words and the user filtering
The only viable option that I may think is adding Prussia as a revolution, like it happened with the French Republic / Napoleonic Empire
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Thanks, that was very clarifying. I think he makes solid points against adding Prussia.
Did the devs give any other insight on what civs could come? Or most importantly, which other civs would be ruled out?
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This Reddit thread has some of the links and quotes (it’s the same discord Convo quotes above).
Their reasoning is extremely hypocritical and inconsistent. Fair enough, if you want to split India before Germany since they are in dire need of a split, but how are China, and Italy even remotely similar to Germany and India? China is >90% one ethnicity that has consistently been under one state, and while Italy has a couple of moderate sized kingdoms, none were great powers on the scale of Austria or Prussia.
They’ve already awkwardly split up the Anglo (British and Americans) and Hispanic (Spanish and Mexicans) cultures each into two civs despite them being entirely the same thing for the majority of the game’s timeline. It’s ridiculous to do that and say a civ like “Germany” that includes Germans, Hungarians, Poles, Czechs, Ukrainians, Slovaks, Slovenes, Croatians, Serbs, Italians, and Romanians is just fine as an umbrella civ (not to mention the dozens of cultures and ethnicities that are glossed over in “India”).
Adding Prussia and doing some superficial changes to make the current “Germans” into Austria would still result in ~1 German civ. Less than a quarter of the Austrian Empire was German, and it is more of a Slavic civ than a German one. Prussia would be the actual German civ and could progress towards German unification with the state age ups (Austria can keep the politician age ups).
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Revolutions
European revolutions available only on European maps (and the same with other continents). This way you can add more options for a revolution, e.g. Belgium, Norway, Bulgaria or Greece.
Unique revolutionary Home Cities.
OPTIONAL - Removal of revolution options that already have their civs (USA, Mexico).
Really a great idea.
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Why don’t add chechen?
they haven’t, we know one of the programmers want Brazil (he’s Brazilian) but the only thing we know is there wont be a german split, and likely no splits in general.
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I guess no Indian split either? I think that one would make a lot of sense.
If that’s the case, they should at least add more Maratha content to the civ, most notably ships, so they don’t have to use European ships, which is something that has bothered me since I was a kid
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Case closed…
The issue is that Americans and Mexicans, although they have Anglo and Hispanic cultural origins, acquired their own culture in the 18th and 19th centuries after their independence… Americans are more focused on a militaristic and expansionist culture (influenced by the American Revolution, the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War and the American War of Secession)…Mexicans for their part have a culture focused on the Day of the Dead and trash units due to the different revolutions that went through their chaotic history in the 19th century until the arrival of the Porfiriato…
No one says that they will not end up getting the Poles in, considering that they were a separate territory independent of the HRE…
The issue is that you would have to make like 100 cards for the Prussians and have to rebalance the entire German civ to make it Austrian…
No, no civ will be split in AoE 3 (and by extension I think not in AoE 4 either)… in AoE 1 and AoE 2 it’s easier because it’s just giving them two bonuses and in AoE 2 also two crowns and a unique unit…
I agree…if they add more Maratha content there may be more naval strats with the Indians…
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Total stupidity.
Prussia did not arise out of revolution. The only truly German revolution that fit was the March Revolution. However, to argue that such a revolution should be made because there is a French Revolution is total historical ignorance.
These were weak arguments:
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Prussia was never be a part of HRE, much less was an elector of HRE
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Brandenburg was an elector of the HRE, but it was not until 1701 that Prussia and Brandenburg merged into one kingdom. Brandenburg was HRE, but Prussia was still not part of HRE.
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The Austro-Prussian dualism argument would make sense in Paradox games, but not in AoE3, which is by no means a political simulator
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The culture of Austria and the culture of Prussia was definitely different from each other. Germany is a group of nations that have fraternally united into one country (except Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Luxembourg). Unlike the Slavs, for example, the Germans were able to unite despite national differences.
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The argument that there will be no division of Germans civ because there are other civs requiring division means laziness on the part of the developers. If they added at least Prussians and 2-3 Indian civs it would be better. Comparing the situation to the Italians civ is a totally dumb argument because the Italians civ compared to the rest of the European civs has an awful lot of Unique Buildings and Unique Units. The fact that they had the opportunity to add some kind of Age Up system similar to the USA civ showing the unification of Italy, but they didn’t, shows that they don’t care about it. Also, the addition of civ Maltese who are recycling things from the campaign is the best proof that they don’t care too much about the development of this game. They could have made Venetians or Sicilians instead, which would have made much more sense, but they didn’t.
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Arguing with civs format rules in AoE 3 is just another stupidity. Because we have Maltese civs next to Italians civs.
A bit harsh, but I’m sick of cheesy arguments and being ignored.
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Prussia and Austria created huge empires that were very important in the history of not only Europe but the whole globe. Each of them chose their own path. Prussia united the German nations under its leadership and made Germany the global economic and military power feared by Great Britain - which was the world’s largest empire. Austria, on the other hand, focused on Southern Europe and created a multinational empire in which the Germans (Austrians) were a minority - had it not been for the defeat of WW1, this empire could have become the most egalitarian empire in the world.
And in the case of China, more than 90% of Chinese people are Han (the rest are Manchus, Mongols in modern China as well as Tibetans and Uighurs.). Also, Chinese civs have Mongolian content in them, which I think should be moved to the brand new Central Asian civs, then Chinese civs could get more of their own content.
A definite point and a solid argument!
Creatures say that they will not divide such civs as Germans (into Prussians and Austrians) or Indians (into Mughals, Bengals and Dravidians etc.) but they still divide colonial metropolises and colonies - pure hypocrisy. Probably everything is made for the American market.
Such German civs have more to offer than these post-colonial civs for a very simple reason - they have existed longer. The Austrians civ itself has an almost unlimited source of potential content from being a multi-ethnic nation - which can be represented by HC cards in Austrians civ (currently Germans civ after the division) as well as by unique revolution options (such as Bohemia, Croatia, etc. exclusive for Austrians civ).
The addition of a Prussians civ could just represent Prussia’s path to becoming a power that would unite the Germans. A unique Age Up mechanic similar to that of the USA civ would be fully justified.
Prussians civ could be a civilization based on industry and infantry. Still, the industry aspect isn’t very well portrayed in AoE 3 despite the timeframe begging for it. Since the Italians civ received so much content, the ones I presented for the Prussians civ would be less overcomplicated, and more focused on making each game unique - thanks unique Age Up.
The creation of a Prussians civ would open the way for the division of the Indian umbrella, which is even harder to split than the Germans umbrella.
If ever there were reworks of the terribly boring European Age Up (Politicians) mechanic then Austrian civs could get “Royal Marriages” where Princesses would be elected instead of Politicians.
Thank you very much!
I think creating separate revolution option fields for each continent would bring more satisfaction to this mechanic. This would also allow more revolution options to be added.
Customizing Revolution Home Cities could be an incentive to play revolutions. At the moment, they all look the same, which is terribly boring. Thanks to this, we could see cities such as Budapest, Quebec, Helsinki or post-revolution Paris (with the Eiffel Tower) in this game.
Chechens would be great as a Minor Civilization, but the probability of having enough maps to add them is unfortunately low. The probability that more Caucasian maps will be added is also low and even less likely that we will get Caucasian Minor Civilizations - unfortunately I am becoming more and more pessimistic about the future of this game.
Probably the most possible option to include Chechens and other nations of the Caucasus are, unfortunately, Holy Sites… Caucasian Mosque for Chechens, Dagestanis and Circassians and Orthodox Monastery for Georgians and Armenians.
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AND THAT, ACCORDING TO YOU, JUSTIFIES THE DIVISION OF THE COLONY FROM THE METROPOLIS AS A FULL CIVS ???
NO. LET’S NOT ADD POLES BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ADD THEM. YOU ALREADY HAVE A WINGED HUSARIA, SO NOTHING ELSE IS NEEDED.
You do realize that you also need to invent HC cards for postcolonial civs?
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