Since they have done nothing about them. We need more noise and negativity, not less.
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That isn’t what you said though. You said you thought we shouldn’t want the dlc to do poorly. Now you simply don’t want us to give advice to like-minded individuals how to have their voice most effectively be heard. Sounds like you’re just trying to disenfranchise those who disagree with you and resort to moving the goal posts when logically necessary.
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Some people on reddit said “going to buy this dlc to make the haters angrier”, others, from what your quoted user said, “said they are buying it to others also”, so this user called them clowns. Where is the toxicity? Childish, in best case scenario, but no toxicity.
Only ONE thread was about that. One is not several. On the other threads people were complaining about this DLC many and many flaws.
Well, what we all really want is a proper DLC, respectful to chinese and neighbors history. The ROMANCE of the Three Kingdoms is a novel based on the official document called Record of the Three Kingdoms. So, the civs were designed on fantasy, tales written to entertain, and are outside the timeframe, to not mention other things that would fall in the subjective taste. All flaws pointed, repeated to the exhaustion in many threads, discord and reddit, WE didnt answer anything, something they did do somewhat when they tried the same ahistorical thing to AOE4, so it up to the playerbase give a message. So, if you want DLCs to be better designed in the future, you kind have to wish it to fail, otherwise the message WE’s higher-ups will get is: they accept anything, keep throwing poor thought DLC at them. Unless you have another way to give them this message, something no one else has realized in the past month.
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I’m not sure of the thread I should post that.
But I played yesterday a random map with the Khitans. Fine.
But then I realized there was a drop down menu to select between AoE2 civs/BFG/all to appear on the civs selection menu.
Couldn’t do the same with the Three Kingdoms civs??
A simple drop down menu??
I would pray for the devs to make one.
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We have wizard, we have a warlock empowering his army, we have offerings to gods to stop the warlock magic, we have magical rituals to summon winds, we have warcraft-style hero skills, and who knows what.
People mocked and desliked Age of Empires 3 for having fictional elements with a made up Templar secret society and fountain of youth, now AoE2 surpassed everything up to eleven.
Remember when they removed the Natives fire pit and Warchief conversion because it was “disrepectfull making them using magic” and now they make a full-on steriotyped chinese story full of magic?
It’s literally the only weapon that consumers and fans have to push back a decision from a multibilion dollar corporation that is not hurtfull to individuals.
The only way to be heard is to make negative advertisement so the sales are bad.
You think its a coincidence that game dev studios only reverse decisions when fans review bomb their games on steam…?
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I find some of the design choices for this DLC very odd. AoE1 was criticised for Yamato being outside the game’s time period, The Forgotten campaigns were criticised for their RPG elements, AoE3 campaigns were criticised for being fictional, AoE3 native American civs were criticised for having magical elements, AoE4 campaigns were criticised for having a non-character narrator, and AoE4 variant civs were criticised for representing specific armies or political entities.
Now we have a DLC with fictional RPG campaigns with a non-character narrator, with magical elements, set outside the game’s time period, for “civs” that represent specific armies and political entities. It’s like the devs deliberately combined several of the franchise’s greatest criticisms into one expansion – and yet apparently it’s the best selling expansion ever!
Just weird.
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Because this will probably be the only China DLC and wasted a huge oportunity
Because the idea of seeing Shu, Wu and Wei as a competitive staple and in ranked is vomitive
Because if they do rthis again the game will end up losing many civ slots and campaigns without exploring the rich and diverse history of the thousant years and many continents covered by this game
This game gives you one of the richest, most culturally diverse explorations of medieval stories out there and its disapointing to see it go this way instead of covering the many holes left in the map and the timeline
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Its a well known story and a DLC covering China
Those two things help a lot, Im not shocked by it selling well
Let’s also remember the launch on PS5
Since when do you think they will cancel the dlc or move it to chronicles?
I’m thinking about the three unique units of the 3K that you can create from other military buildings these days, and I feel like they could be proof of this claim. Both Xianbei Raider and War Chariot units have some design flaws/problems. War Chariot’s issues cannot be solved without some overhaul, and even a further elite upgrade won’t be enough with that ridiculous reload time, but Xianbei Raider may benefit from some changes and an elite upgrade. This part will be complete speculation; we cannot confirm whether it’s true, but my take is that maybe they didn’t have enough time or resources to design some elite graphics for these units because of the major overhaul, so they wanted to buff these units in a roundabout way with unique upgrades instead of giving them the classic elite upgrades. Still, they are not in a great position, while Jian Swordsman seems to work fine for now. What do you guys think about this three?
It’s not necessary… just put them in Chronicles and that’s it… it would only require changing the tech tree of the civs, the campaigns except for the Turban Rebellion scenarios that appear Chinese, only use the civs from the DLC…
Yes, now the dead laugh at the beheaded, but one thing doesn’t take away from the other… if we complained about the original fictional campaigns of AoE 3 so they could include historical campaigns in the expansions, now let’s not let them do the same in AoE 2 for lack of ideas… if they want to include them, let them include them, but in Chronicles and let them kill each other with the Chronicles civs and that’s it… if they want to, let them even make a separate ranked for Chronicles and everyone will be happy…
At least the original Yamato campaign was Late Antiquity, now it goes all the way to the Dark Age…
Yes, they literally made the “anti-expansion” by putting together everything we hate about the series…and they still got away with it…
We could still have a medieval East Asia based DLC by the end of the year with campaigns for Jurchens (Wayna Aguda), Khitans (Kushluk) and Chinese (Hongwu)…if they are more ambitious, they can include Tanguts (Li Yuanhao) and Koreans (Taejo)…
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I hope we get medieval China content, but Im not expevting it. They never double dipped in region that close to each other
TLK and DoTD both covered East Europe. And they came out only 2.5 years apart.
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Yes, China is a very lucrative region. Also, remember that we still have the Jurchens and Khitans without campaigns, so at some point you have to revisit the region. If not in the next DLC, then in the next one or the one after that…
Every DLC it seems like we get less and less. We used to get four campaigns, some with six scenarios. Then three campaigns, then exclusively 5 scenarios, and now all three of the campaigns for V&V2 share a final scenario. Basically three 4 level campaigns with a shared epilogue scenario.
Charge more and more for less and less.
But something something, we have to support the devs.
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All the “innovations” they have been doing in the past couple of years had been efforts to cut cost and force in more aggressive monetization. To do less.
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AND all the scenarios are extremely similar to one another, having pretty much the same objectives across all of them. Defeat one enemy, but also there’s secondary objectives where you have to liberate villages to get some bonus, or do X 5 times, and doing X most of the time is, you guessed it, also liberating villages.
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I think the devs must be related to the kara-khitai because they are without honour.
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Typical shill response
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