# The unknown map **URL:** \ **Category:** III - Discussion\ **Created:** [October 2, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845 "2022-10-02T17:58:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![coffeeco01](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/coffeeco01/32/29258_2.png) [@coffeeco01](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/coffeeco01)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2022, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/24 "2022-10-04T01:31:32Z")
unknown tourney when? ---
**Author:** ![Konahrik1140](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/konahrik1140/32/112328_2.png) [@Konahrik1140](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Konahrik1140)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2022, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/25 "2022-10-05T11:14:24Z")
## The Trojan Cow ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/0/8/08d9408922807925ff00c8082699ce901f39a414.jpeg) **Note:** Each cow supports up to 20 units and can produce 500 gold. **Note2:** The cows have the name cattle and well cattle (ganado y bien ganado) in Spanish ## Treasure guardians as mercenaries. ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/5/9/59f2ee783ed1ca93b08e72178d8e7973a0be4da8.jpeg) **Note:** They improve with each age up ---
**Author:** ![Konahrik1140](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/konahrik1140/32/112328_2.png) [@Konahrik1140](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Konahrik1140)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2022, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/38 "2022-10-05T16:35:27Z")
> [@vividlyplain](#): > > Someone finally noticed that mechanic of the cows. > > Those are outlaws fyi Too bad I can’t continue to unravel the secrets of the map because I can’t post images without being stopped by the censorship system. I don’t think it’s your fault, but please tell those responsible that I hate the new system. 😑 Thank you for your comment and have a nice day [vividlyplain](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/vividlyplain). ---
**Author:** ![Konahrik1140](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/konahrik1140/32/112328_2.png) [@Konahrik1140](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Konahrik1140)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/39 "2022-10-06T00:33:08Z")
I have a theory that there is some pattern that limits the rarities of the unknown map, I don’t know if it is per day, per login or per start of the game, but there is some pattern of behavior of the unknown map. Obviously this is just an opinion and I may be wrong. 😅 * * * ---
**Author:** ![NikolieZeppilen](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/nikoliezeppilen/32/65016_2.png) [@NikolieZeppilen](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/NikolieZeppilen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/40 "2022-10-06T05:33:35Z")
Wild speculation about new civs, I sleep Wild speculation of the unknown map, PLEASE TELL ME MORE!!! ---
**Author:** ![Konahrik1140](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/konahrik1140/32/112328_2.png) [@Konahrik1140](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Konahrik1140)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/41 "2022-10-09T00:34:11Z")
## **Its Over ¡9000!** ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/c/f/cf30d3aeee578c6eacc8ab8b0ee5110f8900a09f.jpeg) **Notes:** It doesn’t seem to have a limit. Use the cheat to increase speed. * * * ## **Variety** ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/5/a/5a21580f17478d088a30836575e8e3b888b23aa3.jpeg) 1. Two commanderies that allow you to create Settler Wagons (Max 20) and Dragons. (Start) 2. A mining prospecting cart. (Treasure) 3. A miner named Johnathan who can create an infinite mine and trading posts. (Treasure) 4. Huari Fortress, when destroyed, leaves a box of 500 gold. (Map building) * * * ## **Info** **A mine of unknown origin.** ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/4/6/46c7b3707534b8139326f0579d16dca501da5f66.png) **Note:** This mine produces gold per second and no settlers can be assigned to it. (cannot be assigned to Johnathan either) **Johnathan** ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/9/d/9d21a1b0d35858687cbaa74ebfe56d2019ab51cf.jpeg) **Commanderie** ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/e/e/ee5f89a8c7558bcc63313011f7986e81cd12779f.jpeg) **Note:** The units may vary, but since I only used Italy I want to mention that the commanderies gave me garrochista only once and the dragoons may vary, they are not limited to malta. **Huari Fortress** ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/3/4/34e7d44948e20afd6cb957634fe147f215340d90.jpeg) **Huari Fortress** **History** ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/8/1/81793bc5360181a16d4b2013cb5e7a32e070e79f.png) * * * > [@vividlyplain](#): > Regardless of whether or not our previous conversation had anything to do with it, please give my thanks to those responsible for correcting the problem with the censorship system. Thank you and have a nice day [vividlyplain](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/vividlyplain). 🙂 * * * ---
**Author:** ![Konahrik1140](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/konahrik1140/32/112328_2.png) [@Konahrik1140](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Konahrik1140)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/43 "2022-10-09T01:40:07Z")
> [@vividlyplain](#): > > You got all that on one spawn? Wild! Haha The two main images belong to different maps. * * * > [@vividlyplain](#): > > I think the issue with your image being censored was just a fluke. Glad you’re able to post stuff again. Well, I’m glad the issue was resolved and I can continue to share my discoveries of the unknown map. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![coffeeco01](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/coffeeco01/32/29258_2.png) [@coffeeco01](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/coffeeco01)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/44 "2022-10-09T02:33:22Z")
> [@Konahrik1140](#): > > It doesn’t seem to have a limit. thats the standard surstromming effect iirc, usually what you want to do is leave in near a torp for effectively a infinite food trickle ---
**Author:** ![Tetsuryu](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/tetsuryu/32/164336_2.png) [@Tetsuryu](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Tetsuryu)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/45 "2022-10-09T05:02:14Z")
Personnellement je trouve juste dommage qu’il y ai pas plusieurs natives warriors différents comme sur le jeu original (genre 4 à 5 campement différents alors que actuellement il y en a maximum 3 la majorité du temps), mais sinon à part ce détail je suis globalement satisfait de cette map et je suis content de la génération aléatoire de la carte. ---
**Author:** ![coffeeco01](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/coffeeco01/32/29258_2.png) [@coffeeco01](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/coffeeco01)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/46 "2022-10-09T05:49:07Z")
What is the ultimate native roll for unknown I once had a map with jageillion(range armour), Tengri(attack speed + speed) and comanche(speed & HP) which was wild to go cav with. ---
**Author:** ![cucuct](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@cucuct](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/cucuct)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/48 "2022-10-09T13:04:14Z")
More are _possible_, doesn’t mean a Tlaxcala → Maya Embassy has enough vacant buttons for them 😃 ![Mexican Native Embassy 4 Maya](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/6/4/64e1e0e33505becf2f9151d842adeb4125e5f7bf.png) > [@SWEDEN - \[American Rev\] Fort GUI Bug (Slot overload) - No Minutemen Levy Activation Option (Rev Deck)](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/sweden-american-rev-fort-gui-bug-slot-overload-no-minutemen-levy-activation-option-rev-deck/213925/7): > > I’m reminded of another potential “button wall” - Native Embassy. First, in one game, a player can ally with a maximum of 5 different minor civs. When you’re already allied with 5 cultures, you will be unable to build a TP on a 6th’s settlement, and interestingly, the UI preview will only show the native units it offers, not its native techs. Apparently this is how AoE3 has always worked, though I don’t know if the recent native TP update has changed that. [5 alliances] Embassy panel showin… ---
**Author:** ![cucuct](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@cucuct](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/cucuct)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/50 "2022-10-09T14:08:31Z")
> [@vividlyplain](#): > > This isn’t accurate on Unknown. You may ally with as many minor civs as are present. I got “max. 5 - same as legacy version”, including the attached screenshot showing an Embassy with 5 allies, from a 2022 Jan report, where the reporter tested it on Unknown. I assume this upper limit has been lifted since then. 😃 In whichever case, the linked thread stands as valid reports on issues of Swedish Fort, Mexican Embassy. ---
**Author:** ![ScEv0lution](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/scev0lution/32/56861_2.png) [@ScEv0lution](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ScEv0lution)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/51 "2022-10-09T19:13:59Z")
be warned, Inca, Aztec, Lakota, and Haude will have their native embassies fill more quickly, because of the big button and then outlaws taking up more space ---
**Author:** ![cucuct](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@cucuct](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/cucuct)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/52 "2022-10-10T16:54:42Z")
Devs seem to treat Unknown as a special casual fun map where things can go outside the norm, including getting a little broken. If that’s their standpoint, the native civs would be fine, since they have more than enough buttons for a normal map’s 3 minor civs. It’s the Mexican Embassy that has a real problem. ---
**Author:** ![RatcicleFan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ratciclefan/32/115119_2.png) [@RatcicleFan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/RatcicleFan)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2022, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/53 "2022-10-10T16:59:07Z")
They could add more pages to the native embassy to accomodate more stuff, like docks in AoE2 ---
**Author:** ![cucuct](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@cucuct](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/cucuct)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/54 "2022-10-10T17:55:09Z")
From a designer’s POV: sure, why not? The more failsafes, the more robust AOE3 becomes. The extra pages can become a generalized failsafe feature that auto-enables whenever buttons overflow, like the Swedish all merc+US revolution Fort in my link. The question is whether devs would allocate resources to develop such a feature that at the present stage will be only useful for edge cases & modders. ---
**Author:** ![DayanG456](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/dayang456/32/182833_2.png) [@DayanG456](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/DayanG456)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/55 "2022-10-11T00:30:36Z")
I don’t remember exactly which one, maybe it was one of the last or penultimate additions before De’s release but I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Tetsuryu](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/tetsuryu/32/164336_2.png) [@Tetsuryu](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Tetsuryu)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/56 "2022-10-11T01:58:44Z")
Certes, mais ce que je voulais dire c’est qu’il n’y a que trois tribus mineures différentes qui apparaissent dans mes parties sur cette map. J’aurais dû le préciser que c’était durant mes parties, après peut être que chez d’autres c’est plus, ce qui voudrait dire que je suis malchanceux et je ne joue pas Mexicain ou USA plus que ça, faudrait que je tombe dessus vu que je joue avec une civilisation en mode aléatoire aussi (à part Portugal et Royaume-uni j’aime jouer de tout). ---
**Author:** ![Stark22e](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/stark22e/32/113743_2.png) [@Stark22e](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Stark22e)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/57 "2022-10-11T08:06:43Z")
Il faut avoir de la chance. Une fois je suis tombé sur une carte avec très peu de comptoirs natifs (1 ou 2 perdus en bord de map), Une autre fois il y en avait un tous les 20 mètres, la map en était remplie (c’était sur une carte pour 8 joueurs). ---
**Author:** ![Tetsuryu](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/tetsuryu/32/164336_2.png) [@Tetsuryu](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Tetsuryu)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/the-unknown-map/214845/58 "2022-10-11T08:52:48Z")
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