Though on the game after Yue Fei’s Legacy DLC release

Extract from a post on another topic

I listed some of the problems of the game

Problem : less and less content for the same price

There is less and less content.

(I will write civilization for any faction regardless if it’s a civilization or a variant)

Release of the game (2021) : 8 civilizations

Anniversary edition (2022) : 2 civilizations price : free.
One of the most wanted civilizations (Ottoman) and Malians.

The sultan ascend (2023) : 1 campaign (8 scenarios), 6 civilizations, 10 random maps, 2 biomes, price : 15$
The first real DLC because he is not free. Good content with two of the most wanted civilizations : Byzantine and Japanese (and 4 variant as bonus), one campaign. Best DLC in term of price for content.

Knights of Cross and Rose (2025) : 4 scenarios, 2 civilizations, 10 random maps, price : 15$
One nice crusader civilization, another good civilization but less content for the same price.

Dynasties of the East (2025) : 4 civilizations, 8 random maps, 6 biomes, 1 new game mod (crucible with 4 scenarios), price : 20$
Two civilizations more than the former DLC. Also less random maps but one new game mode, a sort of improved single player skirmish with randomized the side quest. Also an increase of the price, too high in my opinion.

Yue Fei’s Legacy (2026) : 1 campaign (8 scenarios), 1 civilization, 4 random maps, 2 biomes, price : 15$
Good campaign but very low content with only 1 new civilization and the lowest number of random maps of all the DLC.

End of the year 2026 DLC : at least 2 civilizations and 1 crucible scenario, price unknown. One of the most wanted civilization (the vikings).

Problem : the most wanted civilizations are missing

Most of the steam reviewer of Yue Fei’s Legacy DLC put a negative review because they want a specific civilization (Spanish).

They add one of the most wanted civilization in 2022 (Ottoman), 2 in 2023 ( Byzantine and Japanese) and at least one in late 2026 (Viking)
I understand that they add no one in 2024 (AoM retold needed a lot of work) but in my opinion this was a mistake to didn’t add at least one of the most wanted civilizations in 2025.

In 2025 I think that the best civilization was the knight Templar, I hope that one day they will add a crusader civilization in AoE2.

I think it’s better to change the category of the Jin dynasty and the knight Templar to base civilization because they share nothing with their base civilization.

In the future it’s better to sell at least one base civilization by DLC. Some of them are very good in term of history but variant civilization are less appealing if we have already the base civilization, for example the Sengoku Damyo feature a very interesting period of japanese history but if you already have the japanese at base civilization she is a less appealing variant to buy.

Also I think that in their next survey about AoE4 they ask the player what civilization they want the most.

Problem : very few campaigns and with the lowest quality of the AoE franchise

4 campaigns at release, one campaign in the first DLC, no campaign in the second and third DLC and finally the best campaign of AoE4 in the fourth DLC.

The AoE series is renowned for the campaigns

AoE3 have good campaign with character (I think one of the big failure pf AoE3 was to didn’t add new campaign)

AoM have the Fall of the trident, the best campaign of the series, I hoped for year to replay this campaign with an upgraded version of the game and in 2024 this was real, the following campaigns were good (a little short for the chinese we have no time to know the principal character with only 9 scenarios)

AoE2
A good thing in AoE2 is that a campaign is quasi exclusively linked at an historical character and he is not mute, he speak at us. The mongol campaign of AoE2 is better than the one of AoE4 because in AoE2 I remember thing like : (Méfies toi des Kara Kithaï, ils n’ont pas d’honneur (Beware of the Kara Khitan they are without honor).
Also I remember thing like : Nous n’avons pas de chef, le roi d’Ecosse est décedé sans héritier (We are without chief, the king of Scotaland was dead without heir). Les anglais répandnt la terreur en Ecosse, le moment est venu pour nous de riposter (The english are terrorizing Sctoland, the time is coming for us to strike back).
And in AoE2 we have a lot of campaigns with content like this.

With Chronicles we have two of the best campaigns of the series.

AoE4
I very enjoyed the Yue Fei’s Legacy campaign because it was like the AoE2 campaigns, tied at characters who speak ingame, for the first time in this game you have characters who speak at you. On another AoE4 campaigns who also play historical character but they are no ingame dialog and we have them only for one scenario or two because the campaign last more than an human lifespan, the one of Yue Fei last only 13 years

In another campaigns you play at anonymous, there is a narrator but any character. You play as the English, French, Mongol, Rus and Ayyubid, But in this campaign you play as Yue Fei.

Also I love when there is side quest (for this the crucible mode with side quest are very enjoyable, there is no a simple tower defense mission). Before this DLC I never knowing the existence of Yue Fei but after I will remember him forever, you achieve your goal making a good campaign, tank dev.

The worst in campaign/scenario content was Dynasty of the east, even Victor and vanquished have more original scenarios (5 of the 20 scenarios).

In the future I recommend to make campaign like this in AoE4, liked at character who spoke ingame dialog like in another campaign of the AoE franchise and with side quests.

Problem : All the DLC content is locked behind a paywall

Other game add a lot a free content : AoE3 improved over the year with free content like French revolution and Empire, Reworking of the ottomans, new maps.

AoM : new map were added for free, Arena of the Gods also was a free addition.

AoE2 : new content for free : new skins of building, new unit when a civilization is reworked, new. New content are also added between the DLC.

AoE4 : Some seasonal event were added at permanent addition but quasi nothing if you don"t play multiplayer (reward for playing ranked multiplayer are good but not appealing for, singleplayer only players).

Paying for civilizations, variant, campaign and scenario is normal.

But I think paying for random map is not because if you want to attract new players you will not attract them with random map but for civilizations and campaigns. Also I think than any player bought a DLC for a specific biome, i think biome must be free.

A single player only will buy DLC for campaigns and civilizations

A Multiplayer only will buy DLC for civilizations. He don’t care about new random map because he have already many random map at disposal.

I think random map and biome must be added to the base game for free.

Minor problem : lack of variety of animals

Very few variety of animals, wolf, boar, deer and sheep are fine in eurasian biome but not in african biomes. Please add some animals, no necessary many but at least some who fit better in african biome.

Conclusion

Add all the random maps and biomes to the base game for free because nobody buy DLC for this.

When you release a DLC put at least :

At least one civilization belonging to the most wanted by the players.
Release at least one base civilization.
Never release DLC with variant civilization only.
Release at least 2 civilizations.

At least one campaign like the Yue Fei one with ingame dialogs, side quests, and centered on one character not one spanning during century like in the base game or in the Sultan ascend.

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Yea pretty much. I think I addressed the same points months ago in a separate post.

The thing is, something being good value or overpriced differs from person to person.

To some players just adding a single civ variant gives a civ more replayability and that alone makes it worth for them to pay 15 to 20 bucks for a dlc. To players like me who just play the single player content adding a campaign and a corresponding civ makes it worth buying the dlc.

The devs and MS know this too at this point and (imo) are taking full advantage of it by splitting the content into seperate dlcs and milking us for every single penny they can. Let’s not kid ourselves here, there are many players who will buy every single dlc thinking they’re “supporting the devs” (like we’re running a charity or something lol) and effectively double dipping into content that have no real right being split into separate parts.

There’s no effective way of communicating this to fellow players without ppl getting defensive of their choices, getting into annoying arguments and you’ll ultimately just end up running in circles.

most players don’t really pay attention to the deeper implications of the way MS is putting out dlcs. You could just choose to outright boycott AoE4 dlcs. But not enough players do it to effectively hurt the devs’ and MS’s bottom-line, which is obviously how much money they make doing things this way.

My honest to god advice for you right now is to just pay for the content you’re interested in that does not exceed the budget you set for yourself. And get rid of the notion that you have to “support the devs” if you have that. You’re a client buying a product and not some kind of benefactor.

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