Thoughts on Eagles for a potential American expansion

[casusincorrabil]

I think a chasqui scout would make a lot of sense and Incas could get a speed boost for them. Though it would be interesting how strong they would be then with double bonus (food discount and faster). But the other civs that get the chasqui could also get some interesting bonusses.

And also agree that Aztecs should get a general Bonus to the Eagle line. They should be THE eagle civ in general, the others could have meaningful bonusses and techs, but Aztecs should be the ones that can make them all game long.

[MatM1996]

@TungstenBoar

I think it is time to retire the Incan eagle. Mapuche and Tupi seem like they would benefit the most from a new scout aesthetically, so may as well go all the way in and add a new scout for the Incas and Muisca too

@Mahazona

I agree if there are multiple south amarican civis might as well give them a different eagle type unit.

Yes, I think they’ll include something similar…

@CouguarLoup7693

I think eagle warrior must be removed for the south american civilization (including the Incas) and a new regional unit must be added for the south american civilization. Eagle warrior must be a central american regional unit.

@YangWenli33

Perhaps developers decreased the eagle food cost even with the Inca bonus because of the new DLC and possible introduction of a new eagle-like unit for the South American civilizations? I know the American civs don’t do well these days in the multiplayer side of the game, and this move was related to fix that issue more than this speculation, but I still do wonder.

@casusincorrabil

Possibly only in the lategame, so they could also have the current eagle variant OR a new design.
They seem to get a cav UU, but maybe they even get light cav from castle age or a UT or something like this (?). There are a few different design options which all could make interesting civs.

@Broscarmania

Hoping for a new eagle replacement, even a generic name like “scout-scout warrior-elite scout” would do, and finger cross for a reskin of the militia and archer line, for proper and full inmersion

@TungstenBoar

Maybe a new generic looking scout could be designed for all non meso areas yeah

They could add the Chasqui as a scout unit, or else make the Kamayuk a regional unit…

@Skadidesu

I think the best solution would be to rename and reskin the current Eagle Warrior but keep the stats and then give Aztecs Eagle Warriors as a new Unique Unit with the current appearance.

Yes, that’s a good option…

@Skadidesu

It would be super anachronistic for them to have Cavalry in Dark Age, that would completely undermine the whole concept of “Ages” if they had a post 1500 AD unit from the very beginning.

Yes, that makes sense, that’s why I feel the Mapuche are a bit forced in the game, since they didn’t master cavalry until the mid-17th or even 18th century…

@Mahazona

If there is a NA regional dlc we can have civis with eagles and cav archers but no stable.

Yes, it’s an option…although that would require shifting the game’s timeline by another century…

[Mahazona]

@MatM1996

Yes, it’s an option…although that would require shifting the game’s timeline by another century…

We already have polish hussars and dohomey amazons and next dlc has cavalry units for american civis so is it that bad?

[MatM1996]

Not entirely, but it would be good if they finally clarified that Age of Empires II goes up to the year 1650 and not 1600…

[SamePorpoise303]

@MatM1996

Yes, that makes sense, that’s why I feel the Mapuche are a bit forced in the game, since they didn’t master cavalry until the mid-17th or even 18th century

That’s not true, they used them as early as 1553 so although very late they technically fit. I mean it’s not some confidential info…

[TungstenBoar]

Its far from the latest invention featured either

[MatM1996]

@SamePorpoise303

That’s not true, they used them as early as 1553 so although very late they technically fit. I mean it’s not some confidential info…

Yes, but not on a large scale. In 1553, there were only a few small skirmishes since the horse was relatively new to the Mapuche; only after many decades of fighting the Spanish in the Arauco War were they able to learn to ride the horse… something similar happened with the Apaches and the Lakota who learned to use the horse in the 17th century…

[PaidPlains6999]

I know this is a topic about eagles, but I have to bring this idea, since I’m honestly so eager to see this.

What’s your opinion on Mapuche having Hand Cannoners in imperial age? I mean, I know they’re a native civ, but there is some historical context, and would be an interesting spin, for them being the only civ having that… I love drastic civ designs, especially when a civ is being distinct to others from that region. Plus, from all civs the Mapuche resisted far more and longer than others.

[Tyranno13]

@PaidPlains6999

What’s your opinion on Mapuche having Hand Cannoners in imperial age? I mean, I know they’re a native civ, but there is some historical context, and would be an interesting spin, for them being the only civ having that… I love drastic civ designs, especially when a civ is being distinct to others from that region. Plus, from all civs the Mapuche resisted far more and longer than others.

I don’t really see it. Mostly because the unit is so overtly a renaissance European man.

And also, there is a piece of art depicting the Mapuche with cavalry and cannons, so I think that’s going to be the base inspiration for them. So Bombards? I think yes, but Hand Cannoneers probably not.

[PaidPlains6999]

I don’t see that being an issue for Pikeman, Champions, Long Swordsman, Arbalests are part of non european civs, which are solely based on european designs. If that is what you’re going for.

[Tyranno13]

@PaidPlains6999

I don’t see that being an issue for Pikeman, Champions, Long Swordsman, Arbalests are part of non european civs, which are solely based on european designs.

The difference is these unit lines are mandatory.

[casusincorrabil]

@Tyranno13

The difference is these unit lines are mandatory.

And light cavalry wasn’t before the introduciton of eagles?

And i can’t really follow that “logic” anyways. Either you want historically accurate game or it’s not important. Otherwise it becomes arbitrary. You can find reasons for and against anything if you want. Be consistant please.

[RatcicleFan]

I never counted, but I think Hand Cannoneers are available to more civs than the Paladin upgrade and the Camel Line

[Tyranno13]

@RatcicleFan

I think Hand Cannoneers are available to more civs than the Paladin upgrade and the Camel Line

Good question! I’ll go count.

Hand Cannoneer: 23

Camel Rider: 13

Paladin: 10

In retrospect…yeah this wasn’t going to be close.

@casusincorrabil

And light cavalry wasn’t before the introduciton of eagles?

And i can’t really follow that “logic” anyways. Either you want historically accurate game or it’s not important. Otherwise it becomes arbitrary. You can find reasons for and against anything if you want. Be consistant please.

I haven’t mentioned Light Cavalry in this thread…what are you on about?

[PaidPlains6999]

Well, you could also argue about that the champion upgrade shouldn’t be mandatory, especially for civs which realistically seen didn’t even come close to european armor or warfare, yet they have it. For example, Aztecs are one of the best Champion line civs, when historically seen, that isn’t the case.