Yeah, if two-word names are possible, there’s no issue.
I guess it could also be applied to the Turkic split – if the Turcomans are to be split from the current Turks, the current ones could be called “Anatolian Turks”.
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“Turcoman” is a sociological term.
If you mean “Turkmens,” they are the same as Anatolian Turks and Azerbaijani Turks.
Turcomans is just a medieval exonym, not unlike Saracens. Turkmens is also a good name.
Anatolian Turks indeed used to be associated with Turkomans, but it faded over time, now the term is used mostly for Seljuks, Azeris, and other Middle Eastern non-Anatolian Turks. It’d be an opportunity to add a less gunpowder focused Turkic civ without messing with the OG Turks’ design.
Turks = Turkmens = Turcomans = Azerbaijani Turks
They are all the same people; as different as a Pole from Krakow and one from Warsaw.
Bohemians and Poles spoke almost identical dialects during the medieval era too, but they are separate civs in the game because their warfare traditions were distinct enough.
Maybe.
Anatolian Turks isn’t necessary and it may cause new arguments. Austrian Teutons, Scottish Celts, Danish Vikings…Turcomans is a good name. It is used for Oghuz Turks in Middle East, Iran and Anatolia. It is still used for Middle East. During Seljuks, Anatolian Turks were usually called Turcomans but it changed to Turks during Ottomans. It changed from Turcomans to Turks in Iran during Saffavids also. For splitting mounted unit focus Seljuk Turks from gunpowder focus Ottoman Turks. Turcomans can be used.
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If u’re interested, I wrote my opinion about this already in "The Last Chieftains" DLC is completely not the one I've expected
Btw, the word “Latins” also used by Orthodox clergy to name Catholic believers, especially after Great Schism.
Two only former nobles of military service who were allowed to break their monk oaths to “protect the Orthodox faith”. But later their images became iconic for Battle of Kulikovo.
Historically Russian monks participated in monastery defense against Poles or Tatars. Or against Tzar loyalists if we spoke about the Old Rite (aka Old Believers) monasteries after Nikon Schism.
Camels in Russia? And what kind of desert do they live in the Eastern Europe? (The same nonsense as Elephants for Tatars.)
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The domes of Orthodox churches also could be painted in green, blue, white or silver colours, depending on treir dedication to Trinity, Theotokos, Ascension or Transfiguration of Jesus etc. The ingame buildings are too small to show cross or crescent on its dome, but you can see minarets in Muslim (incl. Central-Asian) temples.
Remind me, please, which year one of those revolts happened.
Not sure, the naval tacrics of Rus principalities and Moscow Tsardom until reforms of Peter I was obsolete and similar to viking raids. However, they used light cannons on punt boats. (Or name the example of opposite event.)
Also not sure, u’d better at first search the names of Ridolfo “Aristotele” Fioravanti, Pietro Solari, Marco Ruffo, Aloisio da Milano and other Western architects who projected and supervised the construction of main architectural sites of Muscovy. However, the fortresses of Novgorod republic show much more advanced way of architecture, comparable to Western European.
The same difference is in the quality of pre-gunpowder siege techs.
If we talk about the time before Peter I, there were no significant deposits of precious metals in the territories of Rus and Muscovy. Rather vice wersa, the main items for trade abroad were fur and wax. Also fur was the main tribute item from locals at the forest provinces.
Paladins and Steppe Lancers as mercenaries, if historically accurate.
okay I deleted the misclaim. But you probably meant fairytale but the times of trouble was a real event. But let’s see you make a better civ based on the Russian steppes which is what the camels are for. The same camel ranges as where Tatars and Mongols get them. I’m sensing cruel hostility and I cannot understand why
The gold bonus isn’t about gold itself it’s about the desolate lack of food and finding roots and potatoes growing kn harsh rocky areas. Perhaps it should’ve been stone?
Yes, I meant “fairy-tale”, not something referred to homosexuals anyway. My apologizes.
Russia is basically forests, not steppes. Camel will break his legs in famous russian spring-and-autumn mud. Or will drown in swamps. Otherwise name the event, when camels were used by Rus, Novgorod or Muscovy troops as cavalry unit.
Okay, steppes and rocky areas… U know, I suppose u speak of Crimea, Northern Caucasus, Southern Ural or Altai region. None of these is Russian homeland. However, u’re right about low fertility of soil in Muscovy and even more in the Novgorod republic, but it is due to vast swamps, heavy rains and early, long winter.
No, not Novgorod, it’s too far from steppes. It had more incorporations from Lithuania, Teutonic Order (e.g. fortifications, siege techs, arbalests) and Sweden (e.g. navy) due to the Baltic trade priority.
The word “Bogatyr” is slavic borrowing from “Baghatur” (aka Baatar or Bahadur). More native word is “vityaz”.
Black Klobuks are one of several nomadic ally tribes to Rus, including some tribes of Pecheneg and Cuman nomad confederations. Thx for mentioning them.
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Exact…
Yes, I don’t recall ever seeing camels in Russia, except when the Russians expanded into Central Asia in the 19th century…
How did the Mongols and Tatars take over the frozen wasteland steppe portion of the country then? On foot?
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Turks: the Turkic Muslim groups that were active in West Asia, mainly covering the Seljuks, Ottomans, Azerbaijanis, and Turkmen. Maybe the civ could even be renamed to “Oghuz.”
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Tatars: the Mongolized Turkic peoples and Turkicized Mongols who were also largely Muslim. On the timeline, they should mainly cover Central Asia from from the 10th century onward. I’d say it starts with the Kara-Khanid Khanate’s formal conversion to Islam.
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Cumans: the western steppe Turkic tribes connecting Russia, the Caucasus, and Europe. They were more influenced by Christianity and European culture. Besides the Cumans and Kipchaks, I’d say the Khazars are also currently being covered by them.
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Huns: the steppe peoples, including Turkic elements, that invaded Europe during the late antiquity and early medieval periods. Compared to the Cumans, they’re clearly earlier in the timeline, more western in geography (pushing deeper into Europe), and they retain more traditional steppe cultural and religious elements. I’d also say the (Pannonian) Avars are likely represented by them as well.
To fill the hole, I think a new civ should emphasize the east geographically, be earlier on the timeline (especially before the rise of Mongols and the Islamization of Central Asia), and culturally and religiously lean toward non-Islamic and non-Christian.
The Göktürks would be the strongest candidate, especially given how active they were in early medieval East Asian history, including their conflicts with the Tang dynasty of China. This civ could also represent other early Turkic groups active in the east, such as the Tiele, Uyghurs, Karluks, and Xueyantuo.
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Personally, I’d really like to see the Sogdians in the game to represent the Eastern Iranic groups. The Persians could focus on the Western Iranic world instead of having to cover the entire thing. However, that it’s not really historically accurate about elephants for the Sogdians.
Like Persia, Sogdia wasn’t a place where elephants naturally lived. Also, like the Persians, the few elephants they did have were basically imported from India with their mahouts. The Persians at least historically used imported Indian elephants in warfare, so after Indian civs were added to the game, letting Persians keep War Elephants was already kind of a compromise. There’s no record of the Sogdians ever using elephants in warfare at all as far as I know, so their civ really shouldn’t have elephant units in the first place, let alone elephants in regular buildings, which would imply they had fielded them in large numbers.
As for the Afghans, elephants weren’t native to that region either, but the Ghaznavids are historically recorded as importing large numbers of Indian elephants and even maintaining dedicated elephant stables. Within the medieval context, they actually seem to have used elephants in warfare more actively and on a larger scale than the Persians did.
The design where Hindustanis, who currently represent Afghans, have access to Siege Elephants already reflects that to some extent, and if they were their own civ, giving them access to elephant units would definitely make sense too.
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The city itself geographically sure but if you take a look at some of the famous Novgorodians like Oleg the Wise or Nevsky then it’s evident they had interaction with steppe civs aswell, mainly Khazars and Mongols.
On horseback…aka mangudais and keshiks…
Yes, it would be like the last historical link we’re missing: Gokturks-Cumans-Mongols-Tatars-Turks (I put them at the end because they are more Ottoman than Seljuk, otherwise I would put them after the Cumans)…
But the civs had camels and they took over not like in the rest of Europe where they didn’t stay. They actually settled probably with their camels as they steppified it so that’s a brilliant theme and you know you want it. All of you!