And yet gunpowder FI is still the signature Turk strat. In AoK having to research these techs was crippling annd people would just go straight for Janissaries since they weren’t locked behind two techs. Overall the Turk civ is better now that it was on release.
Of course it’s not. They have different roles. HC is an anti-infantry unit. Janissary is just pure overwhelming stats. And being more inaccurate.
The inaccuracy isn’t a huge deal. In a lot of cases that can be a bonus since it’s damage is so high, incidental hits can still be lethal. In massed groups it’s lower accuracy can be a huge benefit. The range is vastly more important than the infantry bonus damage in practice in practically any case. It helps the Janissary stay alive and deal with threats which would handle the generic HC.
Janissary is less specialized and more powerful. Dramatically moreso. It’s important that people recognize that when discussing the Turks, this incredibly powerful option that they have to work with.
I mean, I suppose you could just make the technology cost 500 gold and call it good, but I would think it would be more interesting and engaging If instead the technology were very cheap, and it required something different to play the Civ correctly.
You could do it either way, but personally I would prefer the more interesting approach.
i have it in my bookmarks but cant find it in the forum normally. strange.
ok i found the reason. it was because i had it on muted.
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What if the Janissary and Turkish Hand Cannoneer replace their food cost with a wood cost? That way Turks could better afford to mix in the Scout line with gunpowder units and take a fuller advantage of their civ bonuses.
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Dam. 
Well glad it got sorted out
Sounds like a nerf in the long run since food is the most easiest resource to gain (because farms convert wood into food). Now you’ll eventually be left with even less resource for your only trash line.
I recently wondered about the range/accuracy relationship with jannis and hc. As far as I know the accuracy is calculated for the maximum range and then gradually increases when the targeted unit gets closer. So if the jannisary has 50% at 8 range shouldn’t it be much closer to the hc’s accuracy of 65% at 7 range? Does anyone know more about that?
I guess it would defintely matter less, since 50% instead of 55% is already not a big deal…
Yes it will grow. But ideally you wish to use your ranged units from their maximum distance since they are weak units. And your Janiss don’t automatically go to that 7 range to be slightly more accurate. It also makes rarely sense to command your units to go closer to increase accuracy, this works with arambai and conqs cause’re on horseback and can immediately afterwards gain more distance between the enemy.
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artillery tech isnt special.
turks could get a new unique unit that is a better version of bombard cannon with splash damage.
Trust me. Turks problem is their lack of response agains archers. Lacking onager and elite skirmishers is too much. Amazing HCA are not enough. Until they have a response to archers, they’ll suffer
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FML 55% is the HC’s accuracy in AoK only…
Now that I think of it it’s a rare complaint about the civ. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this discussed anywhere besides on these forums.
Hera just said it in a video a few days ago.
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This is why I wish Janiss had more accuracy. x]
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makes me wonder, what do turks even have against mass jannisaries in a mirror match? Only combo I can think of is crossbows with siege rams in front
It’s a mirror match.
Janiss on janiss orgy.
(for some reason, I forgot to click on the reply button. Enjoy your 4 day delayed answer 11)Well, he was focused on his experience and his bad matchup against Britons. He didn’t mention the limitation to spearmen at all, nor did he mention Knights/Cavalier for instance. In Ornlu’s tier list for instance, he doesn’t mention any archer weakness and more the general trash weakness.
Well, Hera always sticks to the meta, so I don’t think he has that much experience playing turks 11. Anyway, the trash problem for me wouldn’t be that bad if they had Onager. But even with gold, turks suffer againts archers
I think turks should get steppe lancer.turks, as one of the turkic peoples, should get steppe lancer.in terms of game balance, it can also slightly increase the win rate of Turkey while reducing the use of gold.