Unbalance civ at treaty

[MikaelJakson_Hee_Hee]

@Kingfisher1787

This is the first one that might be an issue in a normal 1v1, but I don’t think it’s unfair. Guerilla Tactics (3) would be +10/10% for Rifle Infantry and would Research Vet Salts and give them the stealth ability big button. It’s a small nerf with a small buff that won’t change much but will be big in treaty as Salt nerfs continue to pile up.

I like the idea but you’d need to change tabasco seperatist too since they provide vet salts too and Artego Reform gives the next for free so a lot of possible free vets that could overlap.

@Kingfisher1787

Plan of Miramare (4) transforms all your Salts into Guard French Skirms and adds +2 Rifle Inf range. I suggested cutting the range in half with no other changes. If needed cut the cost from 750f 750w to 600f 600w. +1 range and the power spike is still nice, but +2 range is OP in treaty Skirm wars.

as someone who uses this for the range only idk man, the conversion doesn’t cut it imo unless you maybe got all age2 salts that become volts or something but it’s already barely used as a power spike and rather to just get extra range on salts(boring), Bandidos, Mountain Troopers or even Jäger.

@Kingfisher1787

Nerfs to Tlaxcala Alliance (Fed 2) and Aztec Pueblos (Fed 4), neither of these are used much in 1v1. They might be taken, but usually aren’t sent. In treaty both are extremely powerful and should be nerfed. Lets balance these cards based on where they are actually used.

There are some native builds with good punch in 1v1 especially with Chimayó that would not care a lot about that change but still a good change

[Kingfisher1787]

@MikaelJakson_Hee_He1

@Kingfisher1787

This is the first one that might be an issue in a normal 1v1, but I don’t think it’s unfair. Guerilla Tactics (3) would be +10/10% for Rifle Infantry and would Research Vet Salts and give them the stealth ability big button. It’s a small nerf with a small buff that won’t change much but will be big in treaty as Salt nerfs continue to pile up.

I like the idea but you’d need to change tabasco seperatist too since they provide vet salts too and Artego Reform gives the next for free so a lot of possible free vets that could overlap.

Perhaps have Tabasco Separatist give free CIR. Artego is a lesser issue as you could still get free Vet for Soldados or Insurgents.

@MikaelJakson_Hee_He1

@Kingfisher1787

Plan of Miramare (4) transforms all your Salts into Guard French Skirms and adds +2 Rifle Inf range. I suggested cutting the range in half with no other changes. If needed cut the cost from 750f 750w to 600f 600w. +1 range and the power spike is still nice, but +2 range is OP in treaty Skirm wars.

as someone who uses this for the range only idk man, the conversion doesn’t cut it imo unless you maybe got all age2 salts that become volts or something but it’s already barely used as a power spike and rather to just get extra range on salts(boring), Bandidos, Mountain Troopers or even Jäger.

My reasoning for using the card is pretty much the same. It would be possible to nerf it exclusively for Salts if necessary. +2 for Rifle Infantry and -1 for Salts would likely be plenty. That would also make the initial Vols a bit better since they would still receive 22 range.

@MikaelJakson_Hee_He1

@Kingfisher1787

Nerfs to Tlaxcala Alliance (Fed 2) and Aztec Pueblos (Fed 4), neither of these are used much in 1v1. They might be taken, but usually aren’t sent. In treaty both are extremely powerful and should be nerfed. Lets balance these cards based on where they are actually used.

There are some native builds with good punch in 1v1 especially with Chimayó that would not care a lot about that change but still a good change

If you’re referring to the “Shipment of natives from every tribe you’re allied with” card, then I don’t believe this will be a massive issue. You’ll still receive the same number of units from the shipment but will just have lower build limits. It’s a fairly modest concession to a fairly niche build.

Edit: thanks for the constructive feedback:)

[MikaelJakson_Hee_Hee]

@Kingfisher1787

If you’re referring to the “Shipment of natives from every tribe you’re allied with” card, then I don’t believe this will be a massive issue. You’ll still receive the same number of units from the shipment but will just have lower build limits. It’s a fairly modest concession to a fairly niche build.

as I said “would not care a lot” since it’s mostly units from shipments unless going the age3 25% cheaper route in which case it gets nerfed quite a bit but rightfully so.

@Kingfisher1787

My reasoning for using the card is pretty much the same. It would be possible to nerf it exclusively for Salts if necessary. +2 for Rifle Infantry and -1 for Salts would likely be plenty. That would also make the initial Vols a bit better since they would still receive 22 range.

As long as I keep my 22 range Jäger and 20 Range Bandidos I’m happy XD

[Ekdal1378]

@MikaelJakson_Hee_He1

20 Range Bandidos

Spamming OP outlooks is not fair at all either. Mexico shouldnt have extra range units, there is too much unfairness in the civ…

India or China should be the ones getting CIR from a card, not a civ with already arsenal access

[MikaelJakson_Hee_Hee]

@Ekdal1378

Mexico shouldnt have extra range units

20 range is the bare minimum for a skirm to be viable that late lol

@Ekdal1378

India or China should be the ones getting CIR from a card, not a civ with already arsenal access

That is an entirely different topic but I do agree that TAD civs suffer in terms of native/outlaw merc usage due to no arsenal techs(also including Japan who cant really use Renegados, Jäger etc later on due to no CIR)

[platypus_slayer1]

Could go the AR route and have an age5 option unlock basic arsenal stuff

[MikaelJakson_Hee_Hee]

The main problem would be Ghurka and Arquebusier getting CIR already so they’d need to make t -1 multi for them so basically two extra versions of CIR
Also that’s not the AR way, that’s the Hausa way - Ethiopia can have CIR Skirms early age2 if they want to.

[Kingfisher1787]

@Ekdal1378

India or China should be the ones getting CIR from a card, not a civ with already arsenal access

The whole point of my suggestion was a nerf to Salts be researching a tech you can already get instead of getting as much of a stats boost.

[Ekdal1378]

@MikaelJakson_Hee_Hee

would be Ghurka and Arquebusier getting CIR already so they’d need to make t -1 mult

No, just fix the cards to activate the tech instead.

Royal green jacket is trash as card, even with that change would keep as trash mandatory card -_-

[MikaelJakson_Hee_Hee]

Maybe make it enable advanced arsenal and reasearch CIR since it’s an age3 card but that may be too much to give them access to the AA techs
Edit: after thinking about it just researching CIR might be the best way and the card ain’t that bad if you use the cons a lot.

[Ekdal1378]

It hasnt to be AA techs, just a slight buff to the card. Like they did with zamindars for example.

Another option could be adding some civ specific techs on the wonders, like Charmine Gate or Victory Tower (or both):

• Agra fort is strong enough in supremacy while is a no,no in treaty.

• A sup player having to choose between Agra/Charmine/Victory Tower can make indians kind of dinamic in that aspect.

• Victory Tower feels useless

[Kingfisher1787]

I don’t think it could be all of them (mostly scared about Siege Elephants with +15% speed), but all the infantry AA techs, alongside the +6 Artillery LoS and cavalry upgrades would all be fair to throw into the Tower of Victory.

[MikaelJakson_Hee_Hee]

Haven’t played TAD civs in a while so idk how much that might effect lategame balance

[Kingfisher1787]

India is fairly bad in treaty. I’d mostly be concerned about team I guess.

[Ekdal1378]

Maybe not all of them. I dont think the cavalry ones for elephants would be a great choice for balance. Maybe one for Natives and Mercenaries to have the same flexibility than europeans.

But they need to not flow the indian deck with more unit upgrades. Indian gunpowdry and CIR from royal green jackets can be turned into upgrades. Then, buff the consulate effect in some way for flavour.

Another tech could be a camel related one, maybe desert terror and another one, they are super weak.

[Kingfisher1787]

@Ekdal1378

Indian gunpowdry and CIR from royal green jackets can be turned into upgrades.

Now I understand the request. I misunderstood before. This certainly seems reasonable

[Deadlyint]

I seriously think that since. People complain about particular features too much on what a civ has that make it overpowered…Why not just buff every civ. Add new features and buffs that allow them to adapt. Of course this will make them overpowered…But now it will be more and more aparent that it becomes skill based now… No will moan about having their main civ be crushed now(Barely) haha.

Just so that the devs can stop with the overeaction of the civs gaining too much popularity where they just find that the only solution is to nerf civs that people find to be on the lead. At least this is just my opinion. Make every civ more powerful! Instead of making one weaker and the other more powerful.