I’m not mistaken. They’re called the Italians, not the Genoese, and they are used to represent other city-states in the campaigns.
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Same as Romanians in my example. Instead of making 3 separate civs that share the same language but with different civ bonuses, I’d much rather see Romanians as a whole civ with inspiration from the 3 parts that have participated in the Unions.
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Your argument is flawed
It’s not flawed at all. The Venetians are represented by the Italians according to the rules that the devs have set up for how representation works.
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No I disagree. They are not represented.
Explain why they are not represented. Explain how the label “Italian” does not apply to them. If you can’t do that, you’ve lost the argument.
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Serbians are not represented by Slavs. Slavs are Rus. Will you argue otherwise?
Italians are Genoese. There is no representation for Venetians.
They were originally, back before South Slavic civs started being added.
They are. Now. Originally, they represented all Slavs. They really need to be renamed, because now it’s redundant.
If there was a separate Venetian civ, you’d have an argument, but you can’t use the Slavs as an example for your supporting argument because there are now civs that are ethnic offshoots from them. The same cannot be said about the Italians. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
No, the Sicilians and Romans don’t count, because the former are ethnically the Normans, not Italians, and the latter are centuries before the Italians. The Venetians civ and the Italians civ would coexist during the same time.
So no, the Italians are not just the Genoese, but all of medieval Italy. This is indicative in the name alone, as well as the in-game history section, which refers to all of Italy.
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There is a way to make the argument that you are trying to make, but its a lot more nuanced than you are making it out to be tbh. There is also a difference in the Slavs situation where the original Slavs civ was supposed to represent a bunch of other related but still different ethnic groups. Italians, despite over-representing Genoa, only represents ethnic Italians, with kinda one exception; Venetians. In the Middle Ages there were enough differences between Venetians and other Italians you could consider it a different, though still heavily related, ethno-linguistic group, that since the Middle Ages has been assimilated more and is now more thoroughly Italian in modern times. Plus there were two city states that had major activity outside of the Italian Peninsula; Venice and Genoa (I think this is part of why Genoa has a heavier influence on the civ than others) so giving the other that had external influence (to the point you could argue it had a form of empire) its own civ also has more merit than others; due to political reasons as well as (admittedly minor but still present) ethno-linguistic differences.
Due to that, there is a bit of an argument for Venetians while there really isn’t (in my opinion) for any other of the Italian city-states. (Full disclosure I personally find adding a Venetians civ to be pretty low priority, i’m just trying to actually outline the argument so that a productive discussion can take place)
Making the argument in a more nuanced way, as opposed to just breaking out the Trump “WRONG!!!” lol. Giving that detail also gives more ability to discuss the nuances further, whereas the way its being made now just devolves into “You’re wrong!” “No, YOU’RE wrong!” etc. etc.
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Another Italian-adjacent civ that would be different ethnically from the Italians would be the Lombards, who were Germanic. Now, I haven’t posted a concept for them, because I’m still trying to figure out how they would be unique.
Yeah, i’ve considered a Lombard civ in my “Barbarian invasion” DLC idea. I’ve tended to lean more towards Alans lately because i’ve gotten backlash to the Lombards idea, but I do still think it has some merit (alongside Vandals and Saxons as the “capstone” civs for said DLC idea. In some ways I still do prefer Lombards over Alans.
Would like to know if you have any ideas for the civ?
did you… did you delete your old thread and remake this?
Sus behavior!
I knew it sounded familiar.
Had some issues before with account.
Nothing to worry about. So focus on the discussion.
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