First step, remove romans
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Now that they put them for sale, the Rubicon has been crossed.
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They crossed the rubicon twice already, it seems there is a two-way bridge over it
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By anouncing the Romans will, after some time, be playable in ranked matches ? If anything thatâs telling players that theyâll get more than what they paid for, as the Romans were initially for singleplayer and unranked only.
They can give more as much as they want, but they cannot take away.
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First they said romans can be played in mp, then they reedited the description over night saying it was just a typo, and now they say they came to conclusion they want this. But in the end they are clueless what they actually want and the whole dlc screams from it exactly that
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Most European powers(and I use that term loosely) were little more than agricultural hamlets whose power were only as strong as their small borders operated.
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Itâs funny how the argument went from:
to:
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Every pre-industrial country relied mainly on agriculture.
The main reason why there are more european civs, yes there are some big gaps in Asia notably in the periphery of China (and I want these gaps filled with new civs), is because it wasnât possible to make a massive empire as big as China. Uniting China is easy, control 2 major river valleys (Yangtze and Yellow River) and you can steamroll everything within Chinaâs natural border, then have the weight to have all your neighbours as tributaries. Or if you prefer conquering, expand all the way to Mongolia, North Vietnam and Central Asia. Much harder in Europe with mountain ranges everywhere and no region big enough to overwhelm the rest (France is big but not that big, the eastern european plains are too dangerous as medieval technology isnât effective enough against steppe nomadsâŠ).
Each civ is kingdoms of millions or tens of millions, with pretty good development (every wonder is real, some are even watered down) which indicates these civs are far above the point of substinance agriculture (might have been the case in the Dark Age but definitely not anymore by Castle Age). By the late Middle Ages, Europe was starting to get ahead of the rest of the world (the Spanish were thought to be gods by the Aztecs), partly because not having a natural hegemon kept everyone in an arms race technology, you couldnât use quantity to keep all your rivals at bay because expanding was so hard, so you had to grow vertically instead of horizontally.
Now yes not every kingdom had power projection, still even smaller ones could be surprising. Extreme example : little olâ Bohemia managed to get its king elected Holy Roman Emperor in the 14th century.
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That is false. In the height of the Middle Ages, European kingdoms and empires were militarily and technologically some of the strongest peoples on the planet. The only reason they didnât conquer a whole lot of land is because they werenât unified.
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Some examples :
Spain, barely united at this point, managed to conquer both of the 2 mighiest empires in the Americas through what can only be described as private expeditions. I do not know about Pizarro, but Cortez did that without waiting for the approval of the spanish crown. Yes the smallpox (most likely unvoluntary) helped, but the Mongols had the advantage of the Black Death and didnât have similar results.
Crusaders (mainly Franks) maintained a foothold on the Holy Land, thousands of km overseas from their homeland, for 2 centuries. In no small part thanks to having much better fortifications than the Muslims could handle.
Portugal managed to wrestle the control of the Indian Ocean trade away from the Ottomans. They introduced european matchlock guns to Japan, far superior than anything they could produce locally or get from China, that would play a major part in the Sengoku era. This also means their trade range went all the way around Africa to reach Japan, a much longer range than what the Chinese had (more on that later).
In Italy, the dome of Santa Maria di Fiore in Florence was built larger than the dome of the Pantheon of Rome, the largest the Romans did construct. Meaning european late medieval architecture was more advanced than the roman architecture. Comparing apples to oranges but the Ottomans failed to build a structure larger than Hagia Sophia, who remained the largest dome in Istanbul until a new mosque built in the 21th century with modern construction methods.
Full plate armour. Other places in the world kept using types simpler to produce, but less effective pound for pound, like chainmail, lamellar or brigandine.
One good example of how some other regions shot themselves in the foot when it comes to technology : the Chinese treasure fleet. It had the range to trade all the way to East Africa, some even claim this fleet reached America (but if they did, they didnât use it). This entire fleet ceased to exist because the new Ming emperor ordered so. If an European king had done the same, his neighbour would have bought the fancy new tech, giving him the choice : buy the tech too or be at a disadvantage.
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This is all very enlightening! The Asian empires and Muslim invaders may have had much more land and military numbers, but they didnât have the technological prowess that Europe did. Anyone who claims otherwise has a clear anti-Western agenda.
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I would really, really, really hate to have more civs with eagles, elephant units, camels, lancers, insert regional unit here and especially it would ruin the universe if these units may find themselves combined in cool new unit lineup combinations⊠gameplay diversity like that that would be HORRIBLE!!!
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Thatâs why the Jurchens (medieval Manchus) are at the top of my list : heaviest cavalry outside of Europe and Persia, so a heavier take on the classic steppe horde. And they used fire lances for extra spicy charges.
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Gunpowder, rockets, bank notes, variolation donât real
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Jurchens had almost⊠everything really. Gunpowder, heavy cavalry, cavalry archers, crossbow technologies, lances (possibly with a Fire Lance UT upgrade for the unit), camels and exotic polearms and the like.
its hard to not see this civ as a potential versatile civ like a Persia or Byzantines.
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Also the Aztecs had made numerous enemies that were all to happy to get on board the âdepose these tyrantsâ train. The Tlaxcala in particular donated a substantial military force to Cortez, and he was right to accept it. Considering his own forces were broken and bleeding after engaging them, before a treaty was signed.
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The Chinese invented them yes, but didnât exploit their full potential.
A less flashy example : the printing press. They had it, but keeping it for the imperial administration (also responsible for a writing system by design overcomplicated, to the point King Sejong the Great bothered making a new writing system himself from the ground upâŠ) limited its use. While in Europe its unregulated use sure brought troubles like the Protestant Reformation, but allowed a scientific boom.
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Indeed the Aztec foreign policy will be remembered as a textbook example of what NOT to do to keep your neighbours under control.
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While unintended, the Spanish used Biological warfare on a scale that no piece of technology could compare with.
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unfortunately game is moving away from that direction. wanting to be successful in esport means theyâd have to keep it interesting for viewer, and having lots of come backs, lots of different content in the game is the way to do this.
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