One game i had military and eco lead and i was first to imp. He lost many monks trying to get relics. So i started treb his castle. I killed a castle with 3 trebs, and have a few monks, a lot of FU arbs, halbs. I thought i was winning for sure. He still has a few kreposts and one castle. I had 2 castles. But as i was pushing he sent elite konnicks to right click my trebs. My halbs were fighting konnicks and has arbs behind sniping the dismounted ones. I thought it was a good foght for me for sure, but to my surprise his mounted and dismounted konnicks cleaned up my army, and trebs. Then he keeps making konnicks and added some scorps and rams behind. All i can do it making halbs, and some arbs/war wagons behind. It does nothing because the rams and scorps, my halbs cant kill those dismounted konnicks. What can i do vs bulgarians? It is just a bad matchup?
I know halbs alone trade badly vs konnicks, arbs alone too. So arb+halb should work as arbs snipe the dismounted ones. But it is unfiar because my army requires so much more micro and his few rams and tank so much dmg.
Recording to this game.
I was 1360 elo atm he was 1420. Towards the end of game i was playing badly didn’t micro the wsr wagon much, because i was frustrated with losing the big fight at first and i couldn’t focus
Is dismounted konnick too op? Afterall a cav unit that trade well vs halb sounds broken. And it doesn’t die to archers like cataphract does
Mass of War Wagons + Halbs should be fine against them. Can add onagers as well (in particular if rams are being an issue).
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war wagon halb seems lose to them. thats what i did,. war wagon lose to them labs lose too, so a combo will lose too
It doesn’t mean they won’t synergise well. Halberdiers will cause massive damage to cav konnicks and WWs will quickly kill dismounted ones. While cav konnicks have the tankiness to survive WWs shots and dismounted ones are very strong vs halbs.
Koreans have a lot of options. Usually Bulgarians are kinda weak to CA unit types - but the War Wagon is probably not the ideal unit there.
You can also just go Standard Archer + spear line. Koreans Bonus applies to both. In addition with Koreans Defenses and Siege this should all give you good shot against Bulgarians.
For me it looks like you probably were behind and from that position it’s not as easy if you don’t have experience in it. Koreans are notoriously bad in dealing counter-Raid damage to flip the tide. One option is ofc going only CA in the midgame to get some kind of raiding in whilst trying to get back in the game with a better eco.
Arbalest with a halb meatshield and monks, maybe some hand cannons too. Bombard cannons behind to kill the rams and scorpions. Can also kill rams with villagers if needed. Monks are good vs konniks, good value per conversion.
Konniks are slow to get going, as Koreans your army is a lot cheaper so theoretically you should be in a better position if your opponent is going for Konniks. Should be able to win the game sooner.
War Wagons aren’t good vs strong melee cavalry units like Cavalier/Paladin/Steppe Lancers/Cavalry UUs.
Is the whole point of the unit, so players can’t just go pure halbs or camel spam against them (Cataphracts as well), but that doesn’t mean they are OP (they were at DE release but the unit got quite nerfed, possibly too much as the dismounted one had a buff last year).
Arbalest and Halbs army can deal with them, and several UUs hard counter them as well (Mameluke, Samurai, Boyar, Leitis…).
Even a large HCA mass destroy them.