I’ve had a few games where I was playing against Abbasid, either team or solo and there is no second civ that can stall the game as long as Abbasid with camel archers comp. When the enemy Abbasid player is pop capped and his main army is composed of camel archers, there is not much to do. In the late-game they counter infantry, archers, hand-cannoneers and even cavalry like knights.
My answer was siege, but in the latest update Mangonels are unusable against cavalry.
“High cost” is not really a weakness late-game, especially that camel archers are trash units.
Perhaps they should have a specific weakness like Janisaries? I believe +18 base DMG ranged unit with +15 DMG bonus and 260HP should have a hard-counter.
What do you guys think?
Janissary and camel archers counter each other. Cost for cost archers are a soft counter. Horseman and knights are hard counter but of course melee units have pathing and surface area limitations. Mangos hard counter it if you can actually land a shot.
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Calling janissaries a counter, when they lose in even numbers and net a loss of gold in even res???
Proper hard counters are for specific civs;
- Longbows obliterate them for english
- Javelin throwers for Malians (tho abba counters malians comprehensively)
- Arbalests for french if you get all the techs
- Tower elephants for Delhi (or maa if you’re confident with forced march micro, or xbow with ToV/paiks)
Some civs can straight overpower them with a strong endgame comp
- Chinese handcannons dont trade cost effectively, but crush them pretty hard
- French handcannons are pretty cheap and with the cost tech if you wanna go that route
- HRE horsemen/landsnake comp is micro intensive, but counters abba as a whole
Barring that, its just archers - knights are too slow, horsemen are weak and abba has good speamen. Sipahi and mether can kinda work, but civs like Otto, Rus, and Mongols are mostly just doomed if abba achieves their endgame.
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