Who had the Paladins?

Age of Empires II: DE II - Discussion
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Byzantines: Tagmatas (Cavalier Equivalent) / Cataphracts (Cavalier Equivalent) / Scholae Palatinaes (Paladin Equivalent)

Magyars: Knights / Lovagoks (Cavalier Equivalent) / Winged Hussars (Paladin Equivalent Mercenaries)

Burgundians: Chevaliers (Cavalier Equivalent)

Poles: Sclachtas (Knight Equivalent) / Husarias (Cavalier Equivalent) / Rycerze (Paladin Equivalent)

Bohemians: Rytiris (Cavalier Equivalent) / Reichsritters (Paladin Equivalent)

Bulgarians: Bagain, Bagatur, Boil, Tarkhan (Knight Equivalent)

Aztecs: Eagle Warrior & Jaguar Warrior (Knight Equivalent) / Xolotl Warrior (Cavalier Equivalent)

Armenians: Azats & Nakharars (Knight Equivalent) / Ayrudzis (Cavalier Equivalent Similar to Cataphract)

Georgians: Aznauris (Cavalier Equivalent Similar to Cataphract) / Monsapas (Paladin Equivalent)

Sicilians: Cavaleris (Cavalier Equivalent)

Franks: Knights / Chevaliers / Paladins

Italians: Knights / Cavalieres / Paladinos

Britons: Knights / Cavaliers

Teutons: Ritters / Kavaliers / Ritterbruders

Spanish: Knights / Caballeros / Paladins

Portuguese: Knights / Cavaleiros / Paladinos

Persians: Aswarans (Knight Equivalent) / Katafraktos (Cavalier Equivalent Similar to Cataphract) / Savars (Paladin Equivalent)

Slavs: Boyars (Cavalier Equivalent) / Vityaz (Paladin Equivalent)

Japanese: Samurai (similar role, different cultural context)

China: Youxia (Knight Equivalent) / Tieqi (Cavalier Equivalent Similar to Cataphract)

Romans: Equites Cataphractarii (Cavalier Equivalent Similar to Cataphract) / Centurions (Paladin Equivalent)

Hindustanis: Rajput Warriors (Cavalier Equivalent)

Saracens: Mamluks (Knight Equivalent)

(NOTE: Theoretically, you can put Cataphracts and their Clones as Cavalier Replacements in them Civilizations because they had the same Social Structure, Duties, etc,. This includes Romans, Armenians, Georgians, Chinese, Persians, Byzantines).

Knights were elite warriors in many cultures, often associated with chivalry, honor, and military prowess & social class. They all had a Unique Hierarchy.

Only Portuguese, Spanish, Italians & Franks had Paladins.

Huns & Cumans did not have Paladins. They used something else.

And there were comparable Paladins in the other Cultures.

Franks, Spanish, Italians, Portuguese are the only Empires to have Paladins or Paladinos. The Teutons, Celts, Lithuanians, Burgundians, Cumans, Huns & Magyars have no historical evidence of it, but have their own Versions. This makes them more Unique. Basically, the Latin Civilizations of Europe had Paladins or Paladinos.

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Whats the point of this thread? Mongols didnt have crossbows and neither did huns or Aztecs and most of theMiddle East and Africa just used better bows instead of cross… and yet…

Heck crossbows were more dangerous to American tribes than any gun which was more likely to blow up in a Spaniards face.

Il not sure how I feel about feitoria better foraging save 20% gold Portugal getting Paladins btw. I have huge hangups on that

So who had the Crossbows: most of the Europeans and some parts of SE/east Asia? Pretty much everyone else used a composite or recurve bow

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Furthermore, only Romans and Byzantines used Scorpions. Maybe Goths and Huns used captured (Western/Eastern) Roman Onagers.

Knights and Cavaliers are the same thing. Man-at-arms rode horses.

So what? Should we make Onagers and Scorpions have the same avalaibility as Dromon, then? Should we merge the Knight and the Cavalier in the same unit? Should we give Man-at-arms a horse and then, pull them away when upgraded?

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Wait, really? They conquered China and ruled it for about 100 years and yet somehow didn’t have crossbows?

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Later khanates in europe used genoese xbows as mercenaries.

This topic has a ton of useful uu names.

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And yet, the Inuit of all people did. Isn’t history funny?

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Chevalier is literally the French translation for “knight”, why would you use it as the translation for cavalier especially considering cavalier is a French word?

It’s cavalieri and paladini. In Italian the plural is never formed by adding a “s” but by changing the last vowel (usually o>I for masculine words and a>e for feminine ones).

It’s paladines in Spanish.

Never heard of a historical use of paladins outside of the Frankish Carolingian empire, and I think even then I only heard about it during the reign of Charlemagne. If you have sources for their use in Italy and Iberia, I’m interested yet skeptical.
And considering Teutons and Burgundians mostly represent states that emerged from the fragmentation of the Carolingian empire, I think it makes sense to give them paladins.

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None, because the Paladin is a soldier of medieval fiction. He is the ideal of the Christian knight, at the court of Charlemagne, fighting the Moorish invader.

Rather, I would say, only the French Medieval poems and the Italian Renaissance poets wrote stories about it 11

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When your army composition is hit and run archery a lanky steel crossbow you gotta wind up a windlass for is a terrible idea

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Crossbow was not even a very efficient weapon to start with. It is not only very heavy and cumbersome to carry but also the rate of fire is very low.

The advantage of accuracy ain’t everything otherwise armies would have been compromised full of snipers only.

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Crossbows don’t really have a better accuracy than bow. Their real advantage is that it’s easier to teach someone to use a crossbow rather than a bow so you could equip armies of poorly trained peasants with it.

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I didn’t know that, but it makes a lot of sense – as I understand it, they make good hunting weapons.

But I found it very surprising that the Mongols didn’t have crossbows – and after briefly Googling it/reading some relevant bits of Wikipedia, I discovered it’s not true! They tended to use large siege crossbows rather than handheld crossbows, though.

Anyway, back on topic, I confess I’m quite confused by what @_TSOK_NRG is trying to say, or what point they are trying to make. For example:

In what sense is a winged hussar “Paladin equivalent”? They’re not equivalent in game, and they don’t seem to have been equivalent in real life, at least not beyond being cavalry. Even more confusing:

Again, Eagle and Jaguar Warriors aren’t equivalent to knights either in game or in real life, as far as I can tell. I don’t even know what it means for the Xolotl Warrior to be equivalent to cavaliers rather than knights.

Then there are several civs that just have translations (in some cases, mistranslations) of the words knight, cavalier and paladin listed.

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Main reason could be the mounted combat style of the stepp people.xbows are hard to use mounted.

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Romans: Equites Cataphractarii (Cavalier Equivalent Similar to Cataphract) / Centurions (Paladin Equivalent)

Clibanarii would be a more uniquely fitting unit name

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And you don’t really have to teach them how to fight, so you don’t fear upcoming peasant rebellions. Once the war is over, you withdraw your crossbows and drive them back into the countryside.

That said, even before firearms, the more refined crossbows used by professionals were a huge problem for the more armoured soldiers

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Yeah, heavy crossbows were a completely different story I think.

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Well, in some ways it is the game. The Arbalest is a steel-bodied crossbow.

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Pretty sus. The OP joined 3 days ago and has been dead silent since.

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