Who would you prefer Demeter's other Minor God choices to be?

Classical Age
  • Hermes
  • Athena
  • Ares
0 voters
Heroic Age
  • Dionysus
  • Athena
  • Apollo
0 voters
Mythical Age
  • Hera
  • Artemis
  • Hephaestus
0 voters

Did you mean to put Aphrodite in the heroic age instead of Athena again?

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I’m clicking Athena for Heroic, because I’m pretty sure you mean Aphrodite.

When it comes to Mythic, I assume it’s gonna be Hera, but I feel like Hera would suck here, and Artemis would be better.
Hel doesn’t make sense for Freyr either, and it still happened…

I agree that Hel should have been exclusive to Loki (honestly, instead of crippling the Norse gameplay, they should have added a new mythl unit for Baldr), so there are some flaws there, but I can’t vote for Hephaestus, and Artemis’s upgrades don’t fit Demeter’s bonuses at all. So I had to vote for Hera.

Hera doesn’t fit either.
The upgrades of neither really fit her, and when it comes to GPs, Earthquake fits better than Lightning storm IMO.

There’s probably no way for it to be hephaistos. Even tho his GP, the plenty vault, would actually be the best fit.

I voted Artemis because I feel like, thematically, she’s the better fit than either Hera or Hephaistos, by a long shot.

Yes, sorry and I can’t edit it. So Athena = Aphrodite in the Heroic Age poll. I’m assuming everyone is voting with that in mind :person_facepalming:

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can you explain why? i am just curious. regarding GP i personally don’t think earthquale is a better fit than Lightningstorm. the later fits more the season theme Demeter has in my opinion also, hey, its her sister and she already has Hestia now. that sad i wouldn’t mind Artemis. in fact i would like her more than Aphrodite for Demeter cause i think Aphrodite would be too good/strong for Demeter with her buffs to viilagers. And i personalyl think Dionysos fits overall better cause:

  • Demeter has a theme with season too
  • he has a “dragon” like myth unit which Demeter otherwise would lack
  • he doesn’t buff villagers directly
  • isn’t he bro with Pan? :smiley: (maybe i am wrong here lol)
  • i could see bronze transformed Lykaons as a really good defense idea

Hephaistos is definitely ruled out in my opinion and fits Hades and even Poseidon much better. Hermes could be too similar to Pan with a - it seems for me at least - similar GP so i think it will be either Athena or Ares. Ares could be strong for me cause i assume she will have good food production and Cyclops cost food. also since so many were so enthusiastic about Demeter being mean and angry then Ares would fit that theme well too to show her “meaner” side. but i also wouldn’t mind Athena at all too, i just would be curious here too why.

I’d be really curious who the best fit would be based purely on mythology?

Yes, I agree that Dionysus would be a better choice as he and Pan are closely associated with each other. I’m curious why others want Aphrodite?

As for the other Gods I have no idea :person_shrugging: I thought Hermes would be a better fit because of his peaceful GP, and also apparently it was Hermes that was sent by Zeus to negotiate Persephone’s release from Hades.

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Mostly because of the domain.
Aremis is the goddess of Hunting, Demeter is the Goddess of Farming.
That’s a fit right there.

Yes, Hera is her sister. So is Hestia. And Hestias domain is the cooking. The hearth. That’s another fit.
Heras domain is marriage, wifehood. That’s a bit further away from farming than hunting or cooking.

When it comes to the God Powers, Hephaistos would actually be the best fit, because the vault of plenty provides food, mirroring the horn of plenty. But as you said, and I agree, we can be basically sure he’s ruled out.
Lightning storm is a very Zeus-Power. Not necessarily more or less than Earthquake being a Poseidon-Power, but regardless, it has been created specifically for Zeus players.
Even if lightning storms are seasonal events in Greece, which I don’t know, never been there. Mythologically, a lightning storm would be read as “Zeus is angry” which is something that can happen anytime, for literally any reason.
Trees not having leaves and crops not growing in the fields is read as “Demeter is sad, because Persephone is with Hades right now” Which is not random, but tied to a cyclical contract between the gods.
When it comes to earthquake, it may be no less random than Zeus being angry, but it is at least the earth that’s doing something. Like with farming, where crops grow out of the earth.

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Sorry for the late reply btw

thanks for the in depth explanation. i really was curious. now i have my answers but even i respect them as all your comments, i don’t agree with some parts of them. more later.

I was thinking today, if Demeter gets Hera (which most people feel will happen) then I feel she will get access to Ares as well. Simply for the fact that, current, Cyclops and Medusa/ Pestilence and Lighting Storm are not a possible combination choice.

What do you guys think?

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Cyclops with hera upgrades would be fun to watch indeed.

But that means Aphrodite is hard coded in age3 as well.

I am surprised so Dionysos is the least expected for Demeter. But i respect every opinion.

That is true (20 characters).

I was doing some research last night. If they go by mythology, Athena would make the least amount of sense. Athena and Demeter have no story together (apart from later additions to the story where Athena or Aphrodite where with Persephone at the time of her abduction). Hermes would be the best choice, since he rescued Perseohine from Hades. Ares is Demeter’s nephew, so a potential reason too.

I was only thinking Dionysus since her other option is Pan, and those two are closely associated with each other.

Hera would be a solid choice too, since the two are sisters (and Zeus, their brother, knocked them both up :face_with_open_eyes_and_hand_over_mouth: )….

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Athena would still be her niece, as Ares is her nephew.
Athena grew out of Zeus’ head, making her his daughter with only a single parent. (If you know about another origin story for Athena, I don’t know about that)
Also making her one of… four, maybe five (depending on which version of the myths you’re talking about) major dieties created without Incest being involved. Tho, that’s not necessarily a factor to consider.

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I would like Hera to remain only with Zeus, because only Zeus should have thunder. Ares is the best choice because Athena improves Hoplites, and Zeus plays through Hoplites. Demeter doesn’t have a “unit of her own,” so Ares and Dionysus are the better choice. (It would be easier if we had a castle unit. Probably the Harpy.)
Aphrodite is completely out of place here since we already have economic gods among the new ones.

but wouldn’t it make then sense to let Athena be only available to Zeus instead of… lets say… HERA? :smiley:

(srsly i am not a fan of exclusive stuff but how you argued it would make Athena even more special to Zeus than Hera (for whatever reason beside being just his wife - and sister…))

thats why Athena should be at least Mythic Age. (i hope she will be that or even major in AoM2 - if that will ever come!)

i am relieved i thought this will end in some research of what will happen if your willy hangs out during you are tied to a mast with thirsty demon birds around you. xD

thats what i thought but its not like AoM ever took these things seriously like other things… :head_shaking_vertically:

true! but thats not the only reason for me: i think wine as some season fruit and hydra as a “dragon” also fits so well to her. - too well. i still think aphrodite would fit too but not as well as dionysos and gives too strong bonuses if Demeter and whatever possible Villager bonuses in classical age are coming. And it seems Apollo is quite popular but i would like to know why cause i see him as the least likely.

if Demeter should get Dionysos and Hera adding Hermes would make her too similar to Zeus in options - thats why i think Ares (or Athena) are stronger picks, but i see Hermes lore wise would be a very strong pick (and for me it seems that Hermes as a pick for Demeter is as important for you, as for me Dionysos for her. Maybe its Ares, Aphrodite/Apollo and Hera. Could work too. Still would prefer Ares, Dionysos, Hera tho.


And now to your post @Armilus - sorry now from me too for the late response even i announced i wanted to answer asap…

thats a good reason! i can see that! :slight_smile:

further away from hunting, yes. but is Demeter about hunting? She is depicted as a caring mother. A caring mother fits to motherhood aka Hera. (beside her beeing her sister) also: farming > cooking > home > fire > family. thats a strong/good connection too.

i agree with that! but similar to Aphrodite i could see that being too strong with her (and maybe some other minor god) economic bonuses. (Also being too present, thanks for agreeing here!)

is this your assumption or is this some official source? cause i personally think it fits Zeus cause of lightning sure - but its also a good representation of the hateful/angry Hera. (AoM always was very pop-culture and if you watched Hercules series (the live-action version) Hera was depicted as the always angry, aggressive goddess so it fits HER also. I think that it fits Zeus so well was the only reason why the old dev team left her only for Zeus - but we don’t live in the late 90s and eaerly 2000s anymore.

storms are more seasonal and common than earthquakes in my opinion at least.

sure! as far as i know i never argued against this! 100% agree - but what did you want to say with that?

i understand what you mean but thats honestly far-fetched and by far not your strongest argument.

(thanks again for your answer to my question!)

What I gave you was my personal opinion. There’s a part you misrepresented, maybe misunderstood, but it’s okay.

I think we should remember what this game is: It’s a remaster of Age of Mythology from… what 2002? 2003? something like that…
It was never 100% mythologically accurate, nor was it meant to be.
Back then, most people didn’t know Hera had nothing to do with Medusa and Athena had nothing to do with the Minotaur and Dyonysos had nothing to do with the Hydra.
That’s something we can’t get away with anymore.
And when thinking of the Major-God and Minor-God distinction, that’s more about gameplay than about actual worship. I mean, Loki gets more worship today than he got back when Odin was worshipped across most of northern Europe. (Which would explain a great deal about the clown world we live in, lol)
How many gods can you think of that don’t deserve major-status, that you can actually name? Three times as many as those who do deserve it?
If we were to keep the age-up mechanic for AoM2 (if it ever comes) while giving Athena, Ares, Appollon, Artemis, Dyonysos, Hestia, Demeter, Hera, Aphrodite… their well deserved major-status, that would be needed.

And then there’s the favor of the gods, which is simply a resource you can gather. And not a system where you appease or anger the gods. If we’re going this far, the means of gaining favor should be different for every god individually, and there should also be ways to loose favor with a god. So you can lose the favor of one god, but gain that of another…

Yes, we can talk all day about our perfect mythology game. And while we may agree on many things, and I do think certain changes to the original would actually be beneficial, I also loved the original game as a teenager, and I’d still like to recognize it.
And there are a great many people here that want the remaster to be closer to the original game than I do, even closer than it already is.
Gaia looking like a female Groot and the swap from Hathor to Sobek were already controversial. And that’s a name change, two model spwaps, and two picture changes.
I have accepted that none of the changes I’d like done to the story campaign will ever happen.
There is a spectrum between “Rebuild the entire game from scratch” and “Make the game exactly as it was before The Titans came out, down to minor nuances.”
I’m on a point somewhere in between. You may be on an entirely different point on that spectrum.
Giving the Atlanteans their own, completely made up, mythology, with their own, completely made up gods and myth units, would be a possible approach for AoM2. For AoMR, we have Atlanteans with Poseidon and then with titans, and we can’t change that without redoing the campaign entirely from scratch.
But I’d like Atlanteans to be their own unique culture, separate from Greeks, distinct from Romans and Incans. Even if worshipping Greek Dieties.
And I’d like them be at least somewhat consistent. Meaning not swap language, architecture, military doctrine, technology, clothing, literally everything, in a matter of canonically ten years.
Won’t happen. Can’t. Or maybe with a very big and ambitious mod.

Sorry, was rambling and got way off topic.