Why do people keep suggesting trying to add Starcraft 2 elements into AoE IV?

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@Zer0pntEnergy

Thats how it works in Aoe3, in Warcraft 3, in Starcraft 1 and 2 and even in Company of Heroes.

Every game you listed has very asymmetric civs, AOE4 does not reach that level.

@Zer0pntEnergy

Choosing a civ depending on map doesn’t fit Age of Empires.

Yet AOE2:DE, the game that inspired AOE4 is using this system.

@Zer0pntEnergy

You choose your civ based on what civ you enjoy playing and then you master it.

I enjoy different civs on different maps. Even with civ selection after map reveal most civs can be used and depend on your playstyle, so it does not go against your point.

@Zer0pntEnergy

We play RTS to test our skill against opponents

By picking the superior strategy and having the better game plan, you don’t need to be artificially put in suboptimal map types to show your skill.

@Zer0pntEnergy

If you call your self a mid-tier ELO player you will be getting better result than investing your time into 1 specific civ and mastering the match ups anyway. If maps have this much of an impact on your chances to win, then the maps are poorly designed and do not fit into ranked mode.

This is just SC2 talking out from you, but as many need to underline that this is not AOE2, it also is not SC2. And no, I am confident enough to say that I crush most players with the Delhi Sultanate on land maps, but I would pick another civ if there is a significant portion of water involved.

@Zer0pntEnergy

Then play custom games and select the map you like. But thats not how any RTS works in ranked mode and thats not how any RTS should work when it comes to ranked mode.

It should though, this game tries very hard to attract new players and casuals alike to play this game, so you should only deal with such rules at a high enough level.

Since there are two threads having almost the same discussion, I will just quote @sailingship17 here:

@sailingship17

I don’t see how making people pick their civ before the map is revealed fixes this problem. If anything it makes the problem worse because instead of there being several sets of OP and weak civs based on the map it the choice is reduced to:

1. picking the best generalist civ
2. picking your preferred civ and hope the map suits their play style.

Option 1 puts us in the same place that we would be in if the civ was picked after the map was revealed but now we are playing the same civ every game instead of every time we roll a specific map.
Option 2 feels bad because the player feels they have no control over if they win or lose a game.

Therfore I think the best option is to:

• let players choose the map and civ they want to play (within reason)
• achieve a decent level of balance most civs are viable on most maps. (Recognizing that there are always going to be good and bad picks independent of map balance.)

The third option is to make the civs play so differently that the advantage you get from picking the best civ for the situation (map specific or generalist) is less than the hit you take for playing a civ you have less experince with. Based on what we’ve seen of aoe4 however this won’t be the case.