Why I think a Balkan DLC is a bad idea

Europe has 21 civs, out of 45. They have a disproportionate amount of attention. Other parts of the world are left totally blank, they should have civs before even considering going back.

Hell, if India got the same treatment as Europe, it would be split into 10 civs, not 4.

Because if one wasn’t going to be added for the Caucuses, we likely won’t ever see a new one.

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Ironically, not only the topics about East Asian and African civs that people generally desire have received poor response, but even this topic, which has clearly expressed that it does not welcome a new Balkan civ, has many replies below about how to design new Balkan civs from the pro-Balkan people.

Just like under a topic advocating vegetarianism, some butchers and chefs are discussing how to fry steak to achieve the perfect doneness with nice caramel color.

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India is a country, Europe is a continent. You compare apples with pears.

The final word is sales, if the Caucuses didn’t sell well because of lack of architecture sets. The devs will add new architecture sets. If the Caucuses sold well in spite of no new architecture sets, no amount of talking about it is going to change. It’s like complaining that McDonalds is unhealthy but then eating at McDonalds, all that McDonalds cares about is that you eat their products. It’s not the fact you said “salad is better” but the fact you bought Big Mac that matters. Why would they stop if it’s working and they keep selling to you even though you say “salad is better” ?

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Because as I’m repeating for 2 years tastes are tastes, the only way to change that it’s to forbid people to openly enjoy what they like to talk and we all know what this implies.
The arguments presented are not enough to prove that any Balkan civ shouldn’t be in game and it’s too obvious that the intention behind them is to hinder any possibility of it rather than openly try to imagine it. It comes from a place of prevention against something, it doesn’t take a psychologist to read into that.
Not saying it’s wrong to be against something of course (like everyone I’m against a lot of things) but maybe you could just admit that you personally dislike something and that’s simply your word against another person’s word who instead happens to enjoy it.
People who are against African civs so to say are less vocal about it because they’re less “protected”, it’s less safe to say that (and in a way it’s good cause you would see more ignorant comments but at the same time I’m not fond of the method of “education through social credits”).
All I can say about the guy who posts about Romania all the time it’s that he’s a bit repetitive and obsessive but I can’t say he has any ill intention or he’s trying to exclude other proposals in any way, this is just what he likes I guess.
Even a guy like @Apocalypso4826 who clearly admitted in all honesty that he feels more for euro civs has not shy away in the past from making concepts about African and even Oceanian civs. I mean, at this point is it a crime to enjoy what you like?
There isn’t much to discuss in the merit since croats, Serbs etc all existed in the middle ages, like it or not, and are quite documented so a civ is objectively possible to make. The matter is one of like it or not and that’s not something you can speak “for everyone” or to try to prevent people from simply speaking about it.
It’s also an attempt destined to fail cause “don’t think of a pink elephant” makes you exactly think of that so if I were so eager to add non euro civs I would try to talk about them instead of trying to disprove my opponents who have valid reasons to believe in what they want. It’s also the difference between being constructive and being destructive.
And if even then you’ll notice people being drawn to European posts more than non euro ones well it happens to all of us to have tastes that diverges from the crowd. Shouldn’t that be good? Can’t you enjoy stuff without others validate you 24/7? Anyway there’s not much you can do about it, I made a campaign set in Africa and it has less than half downloads of one about Constantinople which the game has plenty. So as much as I hate popular things what can we do? Artificially change what is popular in hope to see our beloved civ be in game? Devs will go before to what is popular and in a medieval game south Africa is not the first thing that comes to mind and I won’t see that change anytime soon on this forum or anywhere. People need to learn about reality and to look at their tastes for what they are, a drop in the ocean, very sweet for us, mostly indifferent to others.

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I don’t understand the point of you having such a big reaction and argument about that reply of mine. I didn’t criticize or complain about their tastes here.

I do not think or ask that anyone should not express opinions in support of Balkan civilization, nor did the creator of this topic think or ask so.
Like everyone can have their own eating habits and dietary preferences. However, it is indeed very ironic to actively discuss meat dishes under such a topic promoting vegetarianism when those people have already created a lot of topics about meat dishes. but still, no one can stop this.

I don’t think I didn’t respect those people’s tastes, and I don’t think those people didn’t respect my tastes. However when I see this situation and the fact that the Asian and African topics such like my African civ concepts have had only few replies, it shouldn’t be a problem to feel ironic and sigh.

I wasn’t making a point against you or anyone really, it was just a personal reflection on how pointless is to lament these kind of things.
But now that you said it, I don’t understand your point either. Op said Balkan civs cannot be added, never ever, because of X. You’re sighing about what? About people who want Balkan civs replying by trying to defend their reasons under this thread? What’s ironic or strange about that? :thinking:

It may be fine to argue with the nutrients of meat and benefits of a meat diet under the topic of proposing vegetarianism. But if people want to discuss how to well fry a medium-rare steak or what is the best to grill lamb, don’t you think there are more suitable topics?

I know people are easy to go off topic and it’s human nature, but ironic thing is ironic thing. Not just why we can have a Balkan civilization, the guys have discussed in detail how a Balkan civilization could be designed and what features it could have with lengthy reference articles, as if this is a topic about the concept of Balkan civilization. I had to scroll many replies just to skip the long “grilling guides”.

I see what you mean, I guess @Player870583437 could spam a bit less of the same stuff over and over although I cannot say this time they didn’t provoke him by saying no Balkan civ should be added :sweat_smile: so I understand if he felt like he had to defend himself this time. Sometimes ignoring is worse than disproving and we both know well how bad is to be ignored when you come up with an idea yourself, but there’s so much we can do about it… Nobody owns us anything.
I didn’t comment on your Asian and African civs proposals cause I felt like I didn’t have anything interesting to add, not good on the topic and not good at civ theorycraft but I left a like cause it’s still enjoyable to read. I remember I came up with the trash camels idea myself but I think the tech should be in castle age rather than imp (again I’m not good at discussing balance but that’s it). The Nubian archer gimmick was very spot on, I think it suits better than the ignore armour thing.

I can confirm that @UpmostRook9474 never disrespected the tastes of pro-Balkan people on the forum. We always had civil discussions.

The reason all that answer to point 5 was brought up is because not once, and once again not @UpmostRook9474, there were some pro-Asia or pro-Africa people who simply came to hate on pro-Europe or pro-Balkan topics. Not arguments, which I respect and understand, but simply being passive-aggressive and “witty”.

On the other hand, I have never seen pro-Europe coming to hate on pro-Africa and pro-Asia topics.

There are people who think “you like Europe, I like Asia, cool” and then there are people who think like “you like Europe, that’s bad, we already have too much Europe, you can make a mod for it, it’s a waste of time”, etc. And I’m not talking about OP because even though he disagreed with balkan civs his attitude was not aggressive or passive-aggressive. But there are some people on this forum who were aggressive or passive-aggressive about this.

Which is a behavior I don’t understand. Why would anyone choose to come on a pro-Europe topic and then complain that there is a pro-Europe topic. Usually when there is a TV channel I don’t like on TV, I just change the channel. I don’t have the kind of anger to write a hate letter to the produces about how much their TV channel sucks because I don’t like it.

This also happens because as you said “People who are against African civs so to say are less vocal about it because they’re less “protected”, it’s less safe to say that”. The Balkans enjoy no such social protection.

Yes, looking back it’s pretty ironic that we discussed that on a topic about why Balkan civs shouldn’t be added. It wasn’t by design, I made a counter-arument post on the OP, then @Apocalypso4826 asked me details about a certain concept in there, one thing led to another, it all happened organically. But if anything, goes to show there are people interested in the Balkans.

The reason I am a bit repetitive and obsessive is because of the Romanians are to be added, I wish a historically accurate version of them would be added.

Most westerners are only interested in the medieval history of: England, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Russia, Turkey and maybe some niche Japan, Poland and Hungary but that’s where it stops.

The only thing they really know about Wallachia, Moldavia and Transylvania is “Vlad the Impaler”. Like the point 6 in the OP, he assumes the Balkans were pretty much the same as the rest of Europe, so what’s the point? So I basically make those topics to combat ignorance and show they were in fact different. Without my topics, how much would you know about Wallachia, Moldavia and Transylvania?

Even Vlad the Impaler’s campaign, which is actually in game, has plenty of historical blunders:

There I made a list here on how to fix it with sources and everything.

Some historical blunders are inevitable, especially in a video game, but I’m not talking about Spanish having a Paladin witch French coat of arms, but… in the last mission of the campaign, the narrator says Vlad died… he didn’t. It’s all in the post. Imagine messing up the story of Joan of Arc, the forums would be full, because most people in the west know about that story.

I mean I had people on the forum saying “We don’t need Romanians, they are already represented by Slavs”. Which, what?! I agree that you don’t want Romanians, that part I get it, it’s ###### ### are already represented by Slavs? It’s like saying “We don’t need Italians, they are already represented by the Teutons”, Italians are not Germanic, and Romanians are not Slavic. They have Slavic influence, just as Italians have Germanic influence. But at the end of the day it’s Latin with Slavic sprinkles.

Take Paradox games for example. In Crusader Kings 2 Romanians were South Slavic (not to mention other historical inaccuracies, but for the sake of simplicity just focus on one that’s major) and in Hearts of Iron 4 before recent patches they got the political parties and leaders wrong (this is 1936, plenty of doccumentation). And this was not some esotric knowledge like the middle ages where you have to dig.

So, I would rather overshare, just in case, than undershare and see a major blunder in case the Romanians are added. Of course, you can’t expect a “perfect civ” but the more the devs know about it the better.

I bet that if Romanians are added and they have Steppe Lancers, Cavalry Archers and Paladins (which they used) some people on the forum are going to be like “Why do Romanians have Steppe Lancers?”, because they assume the civ must be a copy-paste from France or Teutons or something.

And yes, I’m still aware of the irony :smile: but this is kind of the direction the topic went into.

OP must be like:
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It is NOW, and only due to meddling by the British Empire. South Asia during the Middle Ages had many different cultures and ethnic groups that were as diverse as anything in Europe at the time.

This topic is anti-Europe though, so by that logic, why are you here?

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India is a country. South Asia is seven.

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Ok Mr Pedantic; “The area now called India during the Middle Ages had many different cultures and ethnic groups that were as diverse as anything in Europe at the time.”

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By the way, i am the one he referred here:

But only because the OP deliberately misunderstood what i said, he hears what he wants to hear, so i will say it again. As a Serbian, i wouldn’t be pissed, i welcome all the Balkan civs to be added, no hate against any of them, for majority of our history our countries were more allied than not. What i also said was that Serbia has more advantage over others to be added first.

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Whelp, guess I needed a reminder why I stopped frequenting those forums again…

I don’t know why you come up with MLP @srbnems as this has literally nothing to do with the current topic. I do enjoy MLP, so what? Is this a problem for anybody here? I’m not telling anybody here to watch it, even though for some of you, like you @srbnems , I’d probably do good to lead constructive discussions. Here, I can give you the link to it if you want, shouild you want to check out if you haven’t already. Take this really as an advice, not a provocation. I’m really not intending to do that. Honestly, it makes me sad that internet discussions are always like this. Here it is if you want. Feel free to check or to not check it out:

Don’t take this as a provocation, but a suggestion, really. I know how impulsive I was when I frequently played computer games and was way more active in this forum. I’m happy to have almost completely stopped with both, with the occasional lurking of the forums here, which I shouldn’t do, but for some reason feel the urge to (Probably a mix of nostalgia and my AOE2 addicted brain calling me back even though I stopped for more than 8 months now. Wondering now why I even started this topic. Probably because I couldn’t help myself. I’m sorry).

J’ai trouvé entre temps la passion d’apprendre les langues, une passion qui me plaît nettement plus que de passer le temps ici à devoir expliquer les mêmes choses dix fois de suite. Je vais un jour apprendre le Serbocroate parce que j’ai des collègues qui viennent de là-bas et que ça me ferait plaisir de les comprendre. L’avantage de ces langues c’est que le Bosniaque, le Croate et le Serbes ont beaucoup de similitudes. Un avantage car j’ai des collègues qui viennent des trois pays, qui ont indéniablement leur propre histoire médiévale, indépendant mais interconnectés les uns avec les autres. John V.A Fine est une lecture incroyable en anglais à ce sujet-là. “The Early Medieval Balkans” et “The Late Medieval Balkans” sont deux livres vraiment détaillés et informatifs à leur sujet. J’en avait déjà parlé dans le passé, mais apparemment certains ont oubliés que je les ai lu. Je suis déjà en train d’apprendre le Catalan, l’Espagnol, le Portugais, le Hollandais, l’Italien et le Roumain. Le Roumain surtout parce que je voulais lire les sources que @Player870583437 a mis constamment dans ces discussions et que je voulais le lire en langue originale. J’ai lu un livre sur l’histoire de la Moldavie en Anglais, mais il parlait peu du Moyen Age. Le livre sur la Roumanie je n’ai pas encore lu, mais je vais le faire, si je ne vais pas avant commencer à lire des textes en Roumain sur la Roumanie dans le processus de l’apprentissage du Roumain.

Estoy aún más feliz de tener ahora la oportunidad de leer libros en español, algo que no podría hacer si tuviera que repetir las mismas explicaciones una y otra vez. Todavía no puedo escribir muy bien en español sin la ayuda de la traducción automática, pero ahora puedo entenderlo sin problemas. Ahora puedo leer la historia de América Latina con mayor detalle que nunca gracias a la colección de libros de Historia General de América Latina de la UNESCO que recién estoy comenzando a leer. Nunca dejas de aprender más historia.

Agora também entendo muito bem o português. Ainda estou procurando boas recomendações de recursos online gratuitos sobre a história pré-colombiana do Brasil, mas também estaria disposto a comprar um bom livro que fale sobre a história brasileira em geral. O que você recomendaria?

Înțelegerea mea despre limba română este încă foarte slabă, dar sper că se va îmbunătăți în curând. Observ influențe puternice franceze și slave în limba română, dar îmi amintesc vag și italiana, pe care o învăț și eu. A trecut mult timp de când am început să învăț limba română, dar viziunea est-europeană asupra lumii este înviorător de diferită. Sper că în curând îl voi putea înțelege la fel ca și celelalte limbi romanice. Sper să vă placă @Player870583437, pentru că probabil că nu sunt mulți oameni în lume care învață româna ca limbă străină, deși sincer să fiu este o adevărată îmbogățire și mi se pare parțial un prim pas spre învățarea limbilor slave, deoarece ai observat deja vocabularul sud-slav în cuvinte ###### război sau prieten. Sunt conștient că româna nu este o limbă slavă. Observați acest lucru imediat, chiar dacă habar nu aveți despre lingvistică. De aceea, fac progrese bune cu cunoștințele mele de franceză și spaniolă, spre deosebire de sârbo-croată, care necesită mai mult efort din partea mea. Am citit deja o carte despre Moldova și voi citi o carte despre România în viitor. Am citit deja două cărți lungi despre Balcanii în Evul Mediu. Nu s-a pomenit însă mare lucru despre Evul Mediu românesc, deoarece ambele erau cărți destul de subțiri, trebuie să recunosc. Dacă vrei să știi, i-am ####### pe italieni ca venețieni și pe teutoni ca austrieci în Balcani. Probabil că nu a fost complet clar pentru tine. Sincer, ar fi trebuit să mă exprim mai bine, poate. Sincer, cred că ar trebui să evit complet aceste discuții, mai precis întregul forum de vârstă. Chiar m-aș bucura să vă pot citi articolele în limba originală, dar cunoștințele mele de română sunt încă destul de limitate. Apropo, bucătăria și muzica româno-moldovenească sunt grozave. Probabil că toată lumea din Europa îl cunoaște pe Dragosta Din Tei, cel puțin pasiv. Îmi place în mod deosebit Frații Reuț ca grup de muzică populară moldovenească. Am încercat și eu o dată o tocană românească de roșii cu ####### numită Ostropel de Oltenia. Are un gust foarte bun :slight_smile: Și, de asemenea, mi se pare foarte interesantă româna într-un fel, ### ar fi întâlnirea cu un văr pierdut de mult, care și-a prins unele obiceiuri de la noii săi vecini, dar este încă vărul tău și parte din familie. Vorbesc ca vorbitor nativ francez care învață spaniolă de ceva vreme. Probabil că vor fi câteva erori în această secțiune deoarece am tradus-o automat, dar sunt foarte serios în privința dorinței mele de a învăța limba română. Îmi pare rău pentru eventualele erori de traducere automată.

Non sto scherzando quando si tratta di apprendimento delle lingue. È una vera risorsa. Probabilmente dovrei provare una lingua slava e provare a scrivere più regolarmente nelle lingue romanze che capisco, dato che al momento ho difficoltà a scrivere e quindi mi affido alle traduzioni automatiche per ognuna di queste sezioni tranne francese, tedesco e inglese. Alcuni di loro sono difettosi, sospetto. Mi dispiace.

Nur so um zurückzukehren zu Age, Ich glaub, mich missfällt insbesonders, dass die Erweiterungen nicht mehr den gleichen Wert zu haben scheinen wie früher und ich glaub auch ein bisschen zu lange gewartet habe auf die Völker die ich wollte, so dass das Spiel mir schlussendlich schnurzpiepegal wurde. Ich habe seit letzten Dezember nicht mehr gespielt, und habe ehrlich gesagt auch nicht vor, wieder anzufangen. Es würde mich freuen, wenn die Erweiterungen 4 oder mehr Völker hätten und wir wieder ein neues Architekturset hätten, mach mir aber ehrlich gesagt keine Illusionen mehr. Ich habe ehrlich gesagt Sprachenlernen als neue Leidenschaft gefunden und werde diese weiterverfolgen. Ist ehrlich gesagt eine deutlich grössere Bereicherung als Dorfbewohner Swahili sprechen zu hören, wenn man selber versuche könnte, Swahili zu lernen um sich noch tiefer mit der Swahilikultur zu befassen.

Russisch en Servokroatisch wil ik ook leren, maar ik ga me eerst richten op de talen die ik al leer en de focus daarop leggen. Misschien leer ik ook Pools, maar die Slavische talen kosten absoluut meer moeite, omdat ik tot nu toe alleen vloeiend ben in Germaanse en Romaanse talen.

Espero que us agradi passar el temps aquí, perquè fa temps que no ho ##### Faré tot el possible per ignorar les coses que vindran aquí, i definitivament diré adéu a Age, ja que ja m’ha costat massa temps que hauria d’haver passat en un altre lloc.

Ја бих био сретан за моје пријатеље Босанце да има Босанаца у Агеу, за моје пријатеље Србе били су Срби и за моје Хрвате били су Хрвати. Али не мислим да ће све додати. Али то би ме дефинитивно изненадило. За оне који и даље уживају у овој игри, биће ми драго. Надам се да ће бити балканске архитектуре ако дођу на идеју да додају још балканских народа. Иначе би била штета.

Dass die Mississippikultur, die Monomotapa, die Tonga, um nur ein paar Beispiele von Völker zu nennen, die auf meiner Wunschliste stehen, Teil des Spiels geworden wäre hätte mich gefreut. Wenn aber das nicht der Fall sein sollte, seis drum. Ist ein bisschen Schade und hinterlässt bei mir ein bisschen ein bitterer Nachgeschmack, aber was solls. Ich bin ja nicht Milliardär, der das Spiel aufkaufen kann und sagen kann, wo es hingehen soll :wink:

This will be my definitely last comment. Gone long enough off-topic in my own topic, but I partially clarified what I wanted to say to @Player870583437. Hope you enjoy your stay here and find your discussions constructive and interesting, because for me, having decided to lurk for months before restarting a topic here, they seemed me to turn in circles, but you do you. If you think they enrich your life, then feel free, but I’m no longer part of this.

It feels good to write this down. To some extent really therapeutic. Thanks for everyone who is willing to read through all of this and understand my position. For those who don’t, feel free to ignore. Feel free to hate on me for whatever reason, I am done now with this game and this forum.

Ich hoffe, dass ich niemanden aus Versehen wütend gemacht habe, weil das wirklich nicht der Sinn der ganzen Sache war.

PS: I have learned mostly Indogermanic languages, specifically Germanic and Romance ones, so far as it’s easier and they’re among the most widely spoken ones. I also have a collection of books which required of me to learn Spanish as they were only at disposal in Spanish. Really grateful that I now understand it well alongside Portuguese, Italian and Catalan besides the German, English and French I already know. You can manage learning Georgian if you want to @Apocalypso4826, but you really have to dedicate yourself to it, immerse yourself in lots of Georgian content and follow classes. I’m using a certain program called Lingq for language learning which is really useful which I would highly recommend. Language learning feels like a way better time investment long term with a better reward at the end, but you do you. I might try one day a non-Indogermanic language like Arabic one day, but first I want to tackle Slavic ones. Mostly Russian and the Serbocroat I’d love to learn. Russian because it is so widely spoken and Serbocroats because of my work collegues which are mostly Serbs, Montenegrins Kosovars and Bosniacs at my part time week-end job. By the way, I like the cuisine from there as well. Ajvar and Trilece among others is great.

This was mostly off-topic I know, but I answered some of the questions which arose here. The sections are a bit chaotic and wild, but I also wrote on the get-go with no specific plans, just what I had in my head and wanted to say. Have a nice rest of your life and try to have a good time here, y’all.

Goodbye.

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I don’t think that a Balkan DLC is a bad idea, but I hope that it could come after we more or less saturated other regions of the world like East and SE Asia, Africa, and the Americas.

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When have I ever complained that this topic is here?

@Szaladon wow, I’m impressed, really. You truly are an amazing person, kudos to you.

No way you decided to learn Romanian because you want to read the sources I added. I’m truly amazed. Not for the Romanian part but for you as a human being, the amount of dedication and intellect required for “eh, I’ll just learn this language”. I have always seen polyglots as people with a superpower.

I only know Romanian and English advanced level. Spanish and Italian beginner level, but that’s because as you said Romanian is similar to them. And then from French and German I only know bits and pieces.

You have this “well, I’ll just do it” feel to yourself.

In my lived experience, nationalism in the Balkans is a thing of the past. Shocking I know.

But at this point, it’s something we like to make fun of for the memes. Of course, you will always find some nutjobs online who hate you because [INSERT COUNTRY / ETHNICITY / RACE I DON’T LIKE] but most people don’t care about that. In fact, most people in the balkans make fun of the balkan hate for the memes. Rather than actually hating. The only exception to this is Albania-Kosovo-Serbia. But other than that? the rest of the balkans is not what the memes about the balkans will have you believe.

Funny how old conflicts became current jokes.

I am Romanian so of course I have to hate Hungary for the memes, except, I have Hungarian friends, been to Hungary and to the parts of Romania where Hungarians live plenty of times and have never been discriminated against. Do some nutjobs still exist? of course, but 99% of the population isn’t like that.

Same thing I have seen in the rest of the Balkans from Croatia to Greece. People don’t hate each other as much as the memes would have you believe.

As for Romania. Romania has this title of “honorary balkan”, meaning like Turkey, only a small percentage of Romania is actually in the Balkan peninsula, so sometimes they are refered as balkans and sometimes they are not. I would argue they are balkan. But it’s like asking are the Czech eastern or western european?

As for a living understanding of the Balkans, I recommend this channel:

Guy is a serb and makes videos about Europe but mostly the Balkans.

As for soruces on Romania:

I would recommend either channels hosted by actual historians (because anyone can make a youtube channel) or books.

I would recommend starting with this channel:

“This is the official channel of the international research project CORPUS DRACULIANUM, the main authority in the study of the life and times of the Wallachian voivode Vlad III the Impaler Drăculea (1431-1476). This channel provides exclusively scientific researched and referenced facts packaged in a format easy to absorb by the general public and history buffs: no vampires, no Balkan stereotypes, no commercial non-facts, only source-based history!”
Many of their videos have english subtitles.

And in Romanian. This channel:

The author of the channel has a master in history.

I would also recommend this channel:
############################################# Once again, author has a master in history. It’s not only Mythology but also history.
In case the forum censors it again, the name is MYTH plus OLO plus GICA and the profile picture is a green dragon on a white background.

Make sure you stay away from this one:

He is a fringe historian with “theories” that most of the Romanian Academy calls BS. Every country has their ‘nationalist historians’. This is the one for Romania. I personally inspected some of his sources out of curiosity, and he makes huge mental gymnastics in their interpretation. Not everything he says is wrong, but 60-80% of what he says is either an exaggeration or blatant misrepresentation of the source.

As for books:

I would recommend anything written by - Ioan Aurel Pop.
He is the president of the Romanian Academy and wrote many books on Romanian history. Some of which are in English but most in Romanian.

As for books in english, I would recommend anything written by - Keith Hitchins.
He is an American historian specialized in Romanian history. Most of his works are in the 1700-present period, but also has some works in the medieval age.

I also found very interesting East Central Europe in the Middle Ages, 1000-1500 by Jean W Sedlar. It is a huge book with almost 600 pages.
https://www.waterstones.com/author/jean-w-sedlar/316693

And a bonus easter egg in Italian about WW1:
http://www.orizzonticulturali.it/it_studi_Stefan-Damian.html

By the way, you speak very good Romanian.

Very cool post and sorry to see you go. :frowning_face:

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11 yes, finally someone who sees that India doesn’t need so much “treatment”! I’ve seen so many people say that India hasn’t been divided enough. Do they really expect the devs to have time to split ONE civilization into TEN IN A SINGLE DLC?! I’m not saying they shouldn’t be added, but ten civilizations takes lots and lots of time.

I also don’t want 10 Indian civs because we’re probably not getting another Indian set, and 8 or so Indian civs with the same set would be really bland. People already complain that the Mediterranean set is overused.

At least with Europe, the civs are all spread out across multiple architecture sets, so they feel distinct.

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Dont forget how much it will cost as well.

P.S india is a subcontinent and only became one country after the british raj.

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It’s only “the same” if you think the entirety of Africa, Asia and America are comparable to sub-regions of Europe. You could easily make two or three expansions for Africa and one or two for America.

Distinct like having 10 civs in the Mediterranean set alone? Because with FE’s current track record, everyone new in Europe would use it.

At least be consistent with your complaints.

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