Why nerfing archer?

Because this unit is completly overpowered the only way to defend correctly to crosbow timing is by doing yourself crossbow in the same timing or better earlier and see you opponent getting free damages with no risk and very minimal investissements when you can simply boom 3tc behind.

Both mangonels and elite skirms are too long to get ( mangonel need to waiting a siege, then the mangonel itself and also pray that there is no 1-2 knights, often mangonel will do nothing and get no interesting shoot as a mangonel alone is quite easy to take with xbow.
As for elite skirms, it delay you castle age timing and the elite skirm tech is very long on top of that, it’s harder to make early tc’s with elite skirm because of the cost to elite skirm needed)
As for knights, it’s probably the hardest possible because it don’t counter xbow so you need to make a decent number of knight which take a very very long time…
In all cases, crossbow player get a big advantage on this timing if the opponent wasn’t making himself the same unit with a similar timing, that’s stupid
The arbalest timing is also too strong simply because no castle age unit can deal with it, so you need to castle , guard tower everywhere while booming and raiding which is hard to do, or simply arbalest yourself which is again a problem.

These problems don’t really affect low elo where knights are quite dominants, but making balance changes because of the low elo making mistakes which make them have a different balance for them is the worst possible idea in my opinion.
Low elo can deal with knights if they get better that’s not a balance problem.

I’m tired of this unit which i see everytime.

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I’ve brought this argument before for other nerf requests, but it seems a lot of people don’t even play, they just watch pro players play.
But pro players play for a while, then move to other games, and then the rest of players are left with crap civs and crappy units.
I’d balance around the average distribution of ELO, not the highest 1%. It’s not like the GPU market where you can sell the 2k card to the uber-overclocker and the 300€ card to the common guy. If you nerf or buff for 1% ELO everyone is going to feel that.
Oh, and I personally don’t care about archers, I’m more an infantry-siege guy so be my guest and nerf them hard, even more, buff mangonel projectile speed please. Nothing more satisfying than flattening a squad of archers with a nice mangonel shot :grin:

I think this is another good example why xbows needed the nerf

Opponent as Burgundians goes xbows into Knights Vs franks who already had skirms (and obviously went knights as well)

The nerf is not only meant to hurt the xbow powerspike, but force more decision making when going for multiple comps as that “minor” 50/50 becomes more impactful when you’re training a whole separate line

It’s not a big nerf by a long shot, but is primarily more impactful when considering you aren’t actually fully teching into that line