Would you want to see Persephone added to Hades?
- No, I would like his Mythic Age selections to remain the same
- Yes, she should replace Hephaestus
- Yes, she should replace Artemis
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no, both artemis and hephaestus are really good picks for hades gameplay wise and I think persephone would be a really bad choice.
It seems like persephones myth unit will be the siren, which sucks enemy units towards you. Not a good pick the ranged units god.
I know its a poll, Just here to add. The only reasoning i could see behind moving it would be lore wise. Which aom has never cared to be the Best at imo (set and horus to name one)
From a gameplay stand point you would need to re balance around it to adress how hades interact with it
From a company stand point would have to give for free that content to players that didnt buy it to play it on hades. Would have to lock hades to some players or create some sort of hades profiles with the old and New variants, all of which have their unique troubles.
i would vote yes, but only if other gods and myth units will be adjusted likewise. (and i discouraged assume this won’t happen)
From my standpoint, yes mythology would be the only reason. If people aren’t fussed by that then it would make no sense to change. Either than to inject some fresh blood into people Hade’s strats (but that would be at the permanent cost of their old ways).
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Replace Hephaestus because he doesn’t provide any useful upgrades for Hades.
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According to AOMstats, more people choose Hephaestus than Artemis. Colossus is a bulky frontline for your high dps ranged units and the vault fits well with the defensive nature of hades.
Let me correct you. Hephaestus is chosen solely to use Plenty. He doesn’t need the Colossus, nor any of Hephaestus’ other upgrades. And that’s a big problem. Because multiplying Plenty is currently the only strategy for Hades, and this been starting since the game’s release.
You’re not correcting anything, but thanks for trying. Hephaestus’ armory upgrades are some of the universally best upgrades and colossus gets good value in tanking. Plenty is certainly not the only strat for hades, despite heph being more a more common choice than artemis, it’s about 60/40 across the board with artemis usually having a higher win percentage than heph.
All of this information is publicly available, you don’t have to be wrong if you don’t want to.
You’re contradicting yourself. Artemis has a higher win rate because Hephaestus, other than Plenty, has nothing useful for Hades.
Reducing the arsenal’s cost at age 4 is the most useless thing imaginable.
The Colossus is a suicidal unit, dying 100% of the time when it enters combat.
I don’t really like Hephaestus. The only thing he has worthwhile is an upgrade for unique units, which only works properly for Poseidon and Zeus. With such characteristics, Hephaestus would look good on any god, even Japanese or Chinese ones. Plenty is the only one used there.
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It would only be a contradiction if I said heph was a better pick than artemis. Feel free to point out wherever I supposedly wrote that.
Armory techs being 75% cheaper and researching twice as fast is really good actually. It’s very common to save the age 3 upgrades and rush age 4 for insane monetary value out of it as well as it being a power spike for your whole army.
I don’t think you understand the purpose of a high hp tank unit. All the damage it takes is damage that your fragile tox ball didn’t take. Not to mention the bonus 15% hp, which can give you the single tankiest myth unit in the game (sans titans and GP units). You’re just describing it doing it’s job exactly how it’s supposed to.
Yes, heph would be great on every god. That’s because he’s a good minor god pick. What part of that isn’t clicking for you?
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I am 100% sure that the hydra is superior to the colossus in everything.
You say it’s a good option for Hades, and then immediately point out that Artemis has a significant lead in victories. So it’s not such a good option after all. Isn’t that obvious?
What I meant was that Hades doesn’t need access to Hephaestus. He’ll play just fine without it.
I am 100% sure that the hydra is superior to the colossus in everything.
We talking about hades, the one greek god that doesn’t get hydras. I am a 100% sure that any amount of colossus beats the 0 hydras hades has.
You say it’s a good option for Hades, and then immediately point out that Artemis has a significant lead in victories. So it’s not such a good option after all. Isn’t that obvious?
Hey did you know that “good” and “best” are different words with different meanings? Again, where did I ever say that heph was better than artemis?
Heph is a completely viable and reasonable pick against artemis given the opponents god. It’s not like picking ame as tsukuyomi where there’s like a 20:1 difference in minor god choice and a change in god could only be better.
What I meant was that Hades doesn’t need access to Hephaestus. He’ll play just fine without it.
wtf do you mean by being just fine?
Still technically viable in competitive? In a remotely balanced game that would be every minor god choice.
Heph is more commonly chosen over artemis, so the 40% of the time people pick artemis will be just fine?
Are you really resorting to “it wouldn’t be actively bad” instead of “it would be better”?
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Uma solução simples seria a possibilidade de incluir um terceiro Deus menor para escolher, ou seja, ao invĂ©s de 02 escolhas, terĂamos 03. Isso aumentaria as estratĂ©gias de jogo, e nĂŁo faria isso somente para Hades, mas para todos os outros deuses maiores.
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Thats not true. Heph armory upgrade fits hades late game perfectly
Let me correct you, he is picked for forge of olympus Just as much. Heph allows for a Quick power spike when you are full Iron and then you Will get stronger as the vaults get going.
This has always been the dynamic between heph vs artemis or Hera. One is for slower pushes the other one for a Quick power spike to finish the game. Artemis buffing archers does not make it the default option currently.
This is also wrong. For quite some patches artemis was the default option. Shaft of plague was insane before the nerfs. Even Poseidon went artemis before.
Dont take myrhic Picks in aomstats too seriously. Since its gonna be skewed depending on how you are doing. If you are behind chances are you are going heph which has the potential to turn it around. But if you are behind and lost your army chances are you are not going artemis. You usually go artemis for a win more type of deal, not if you are struggling.
You would be wrong sadly. Colossus aint the best there is, but its good as a siege option from time to time. Its lack of use is due to how better favor banking is for vaults. If you gave colossus to other gods it would see more use.
Also siege units are not something you spam either way. 1-3 do the job. You dont see much mythic age hydra spam for zeus or pos at high level either way.
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While true, it still brings the 2 issues of balancing for it and giving acess to free dlc content to people that didnt buy it.
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Yeah, Petrobolos and Heliopolis are harder to build than the Colossus.
And I see Hydra spam in every second game.
I meant that there was no point in holding on to it.
People pick Hephaestus more often and lose more often. This is probably a bad choice.
Greek Ragnarok will be the same option.
People pick Hephaestus more often and lose more often. This is probably a bad choice.
You don’t understand counting.
heph having a much higher rate of being chosen, but slightly lower win percentage still means that heph wins more often. Heph is generally the better choice and has more wins, but the few time Artemis is the better choice it’s because she’s a hard counter in that specific matchup.
If you’re pressed for money and want something reliable (IE most games), then heph is a better pick. If you already have a big archer ball and have extra resources for all your upgrades (IE already ahead) then artemis is a better pick.
Again, all the information is publicly available, you don’t have to be wrong if you don’t want to be.
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As you say, old man.
The Norse are the only ones in the game who got a remake, and you’re okay with that. But you think it’s impossible to change any other pantheon? Hypocrite.
Fair, thats why I specified high level. All things can be done in most elos. When i joke around in TGs i also make plenty of colossus, wouldnt call them OP or strong or Meta because of that thou.
Well one is actually worth going for if you are behind, the other one only when you are ahead. That alone will skew the sucess of them.
This is false by many accounts. Norse got the most changed on release, but not the only changed. Greek heroes got attack vs flying units and bonus reworks. Eggy got the monument added bonus. Atty had a favor generation overhaul, a citizen rework on pop and gathering and Rhea was reworked as a minor god from an archer focus to an infantry focus. All pantheons had techs added or changed in how they worked.
Norse rework had nothing to do with the dlc civs thou, which it seems a hard ceoncept to grasp for you. They didnt get freyr minor gods, beacuse as much as you want it theres the things i listed about it that confict with it (the most important one i would say is the paywall). Demeter wouldnt be the exception most likely. Would be happy to be wrong thou but i doubt it.
If what you call Hypocrite stems from your inability to understand ithat, then sure i gues
Who knows, we dont know exactlyh how it works yet. What we can tell now thou is loosing 700 - 2100 worth of resources is a much weaker penalty than loosing your whole eco. A very bad situation for example: 20 vills on wood and gold for greeks with 0 eco upgrades will gather enough resources to make a tc in around 45 sec. Any more vills/eco upgrades and that number goes down. You aint getting your whole eco back on rag that fast even on like 6 tc
That alone makes it stronger if the units revived power is equal to rag
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